Within the last couple years I previously wrote:

“Many people ask what taxonomic level is equated with the Created Kinds. This is a poor and overly simplistic question. Historically, our taxonomic system has been based on similar morphology (appearance). Created Kinds is based on breeding capability. These are two different systems and they do not necessarily equate to each other. Simply put, Kinds do not equate to any one taxonomic rank.”

As well as:

“To illustrate the point better, I turn to the standard statistical bell-shaped curve. Many are familiar with this curve in regards to receiving grades (A, B, C, D, F) in school. Most people will receive a C grade, a few will receive either a B or a D grade, and rarely will someone receive an A or F grade. Similarly, most of the Kinds equate with the Family level, a few with the Genus or Super-Family level, and rarely it will equate with the Species or Order levels.”

Well, now I have some specific data at Baraminology Quest to show what the bell curve actually looks like and it is shifted slightly higher in rank than expected.

So far, there are 360 Created Kinds listed among reptiles, birds, and mammals. 297 of them (82.5%) fall at the Family level: the remaining Kinds include: 32 orders, 2 suborder, 1 infraorder, 2 superfamily, 23 subfamily, and 3 genera. That places 37 Kinds above Family, 26 below Family, and none (so far) at species level. Quite an interesting mix.

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I don't agree human units of measuring biology have any merit.

There are only kinds.

Our stuff is worthless. No familys, gebnus, species etc etc.

kInfds that changede within themselves after the fall and ever since.

Robert, remember what God's first assignment to Adam was? Name animals.

He isn't bothered by our desire to organize and classify; the problem comes in when people want to then reverse the role and force God to do things according to their system.

This whole study of where the different kinds begin and end is fascinating to me, Todd, I even like your focus on flowering plants.

BTW I'm not seeing the bell curve graphic. What do I need to click on to find it?

The problem with finding a parallel between the biblical KIND (baramiyn) and any category within the current "scientific" taxonomic system is two-fold.

As Todd pointed out, the biblical kind is not based on morphology, but on the capacity to reproduce together.

Secondly, the current system is totally inconsistent, so no single category or grouping can be matched up to the baramiyn of the Bible.

Yet in Leviticus we see that VULTURE is a kind (baramiyn), which would seem to me to indicate that all of species of vultures would be included in that "KIND" - if they are clearly of shared ancestry - and capable of producing offspring together.

But watch out, the opponents of the Creation Conversations Position statement will surely come in here and derail this thread unless we are diligent.



Cheri A Fields said:

Robert, remember what God's first assignment to Adam was? Name animals.

He isn't bothered by our desire to organize and classify; the problem comes in when people want to then reverse the role and force God to do things according to their system.

This whole study of where the different kinds begin and end is fascinating to me, Todd, I even like your focus on flowering plants.

BTW I'm not seeing the bell curve graphic. What do I need to click on to find it?

Naming animals is not changing biology. The kinds is the real order.

Human attempts are worthless except in recognizing kinds.

In fact YEC should be front and centre in denying there are divisions like mammals and reptiles etc.

I received an email notice about a reply, but then when I came here, it had been deleted. I wish the brother would message me with his comment. I'd love to be able address his comment/question.

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