Obviously, because he ran out of something rational to say and can't think of a more irrational copout.

But seriously, he won't quit saying it. What can I say to make him shush?

Thanks,

-Jacob

PS: In his 30th tweet he continues to use "prove it" or "proof of claim?" etc. etc.

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How about asking HIM to "prove it."

He may say, "THERE IS NO GOD" - and then we should say, "Prove it."

He may say, "The world originated in a 'Big Bang' about 13.76 billion years ago. . ." - and then we should say, "Prove it."

He may say, "Life originated from chemicals through unguided [random] processes. . ." - and we should say, "Prove it."

He may say, "Humans evolved from simian primate ancestors over the past 2 million years. . ." - and we should say, "Prove it."

They who demand proof must themselves be able to provide it. As you judge, so shall you be judged, and then too, here is a perfect opportunity to "Answer a fool according to his folly."

Thanks but, I've already tried the "prove it" on him but he just responds "You can't prove a negative"

Jim Brenneman said:

How about asking HIM to "prove it."

He may say, "THERE IS NO GOD" - and then we should say, "Prove it."

He may say, "The world originated in a 'Big Bang' about 13.76 billion years ago. . ." - and then we should say, "Prove it."

He may say, "Life originated from chemicals through unguided [random] processes. . ." - and we should say, "Prove it."

He may say, "Humans evolved from simian primate ancestors over the past 2 million years. . ." - and we should say, "Prove it."

They who demand proof must themselves be able to provide it. As you judge, so shall you be judged, and then too, here is a perfect opportunity to "Answer a fool according to his folly."

Still, I would say, "Prove it." And it is a positive that I am asking him to prove - "Prove to me that the world originated in a 'big bang,' Prove that genus can change to another genus. Prove to me that abiogenesis has ever occurred anywhere.

Moreover HE IS THE ONE ASKING YOU TO PROVE A NEGATIVE - He is asking you to prove that the natural world is NOT all there is.

Well everything is about weighing the facts of evidence. so offer whats on your scale.

Nobody proves things . its just a weight of evidence. This also based on existing presumptions.

Tell him your evidences in your heart.

Still, for those who ask us to "PROVE IT" about the existence of God - we still should turn the tables and ask them to "PROVE IT."

They need to prove to us that the universe is here by itself. That everything that is has been formed by a Big Bang.

  • We believe that GOD produced the Universe and all that exists.
  • They BELIEVE that the "Big Bang" produced the Universe and all that exists.

Then THEY demand that we produce evidence to support the existence of the UNCAUSED CAUSE.

It is only reasonable and fair that WE should require them to produce evidence to support the existence of the CAUSE for the existence of the Universe. Apparently they believe it is just here without a Cause. According to them We live in an UNCAUSED UNIVERSE. PROVE IT.

P R O V E   I T

We are in the stronger position. We are in the ONLY reasonable and logical position.

I would ask him what he would accept as proof.  A lot of times these statements are copouts, as there is no proof that they would accept, (Even if a man should rise from the dead).  

Also, it is nigh on impossible to 'prove' anything about the past, you can make assertions, but you cannot 'prove' empirically what you had for breakfast today.  You cannot 'prove' empirically that the US entered WW2 after pearl harbor.  These things cannot be tested and shown, we rely on documented accounts from those that were there.  You can show how one set of suppositions is 'reasonable', but you can't prove it (and neither can they).

This is similar to those who object to Christianity because of "All the contradictions in the Bible. . ." So . . . I ask which ones have proven to you that Jesus Christ is a fraud? It becomes clear that answering one or one hundred contradictions will not cause them to turn from their unbelief. It is only an excuse to justify their defiance.

First of all, there is proof... proof that God exists is that without God you can't know anything as "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge"... yet he will make knowledge claims... why? Because he borrows from our worldview, the existence of God, but as Romans 1:18-22 tells us... he knows because he DOES know God exists, however, he simply suppresses that truth in his unrighteousness.

Because of Romans 1:18-22 explaining to all mankind that all mankind knows God exists... I would ask him... something to this effect...

"What evidence would it take to convince you of the existence of the God that says you already have enough evidence?"

When you have a moment visit this link below its a well known champion for Atheism in the UK, Paul Baird explaining just what it would take to convince an atheist check the 20:30 minute mark for his comments...

your continued argument with this person is likely futile using the "Evidential" approach simply because his presupposition is getting in the way... Remember, we ALL have the same evidence -- its what belief system we bring to the evidence that determines what we derive from that evidence, its our prejudices and presuppositions we bring to and evaluate the evidence that tyipcally gives us our conclusion about said evidence.

What would it take to convince an atheist?

My suggestion is look to Proverbs 26:4...

"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest ye be like him" <-- His folly is his reasoning about God's nature and creation... instead use this approach...

Proverbs 26:5

"Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit" <-- reveal to him the absurdity of his worldview... "Reducto Absurdum" Reduce to Absurdity....

Without God, they live in an atheistic worldview... what is TRUTH in their worldview? Where does it come from, is it the same for all people or just for a select few? If it can be different than it can't be truth because truth can be changed... 

Without God, where do you get morality from? What is right and wrong? Is it wrong to rape little children (yes this is a harsh analogy but so is their suppression of God) If they say it is wrong to do so... Why? Who said? Typical answer... society... well the Nazi society in the 1920's and 1930's said it was OK to kill Jews and other 'races' that were considered weak... since society decides what is right or wrong then was the Nazi society right in their genocide? Typical follow up is "I decide what is right and wrong and I don't believe either of those are right because I wouldn't want it to happen to me" ... well, that tells us why you don't like it, but not why it is wrong... secondly, if you decide what is right... then right and wrong are arbitrary and while the rape of children is wrong to you, it can be right to the rapist...

When you reveal these facts and inconsistencies of their worldview, its easy to see that a worldview without God is an absurd worldview that can't account for knowledge, truth or right and wrong... want to get more technical? It also doesn't account for the Laws of Physics, mathematics, logic, etc... the list goes on... why? Because laws of physics and mathematics are universal, non-changing, immaterial concepts... where do you get those in an arbitrary, ever-changing, materialistic universe? Where do they come from? How were they created in an evolutionary universe.. nothing is universal, everything is in constant state of change, and everything is made of matter... where do immaterial laws come from and how can a materialistic universe be bound by such immaterial laws... 

As you can see, their worldview is reduced to absurdity... not to poke fun but to reveal... 1 Peter 3:15 answer them "in meekness and fear"... 

Without God you can't account for anything above... however, with God, we can account for the perfect balance of Creation, both material and immaterial, universal and constant... why? Because they are all part of the very nature of a immaterial, universal and constant creator.

Hope this helps, its a lot to ingest, stew on it... I would no longer provide evidence, that ship has sailed with this person he is stuck in Dawkin's "God Delusion", however, gently attack his reasoning and his worldview, perhaps you will be the person the Holy Ghost uses to turn this heart of stone into a heart of flesh. Blessings!

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