iCR and warning colours and animals fear of popst flood mankind

ICR acts/facts(nov) had a cool article by Brian Thomas.

I just want to take a single point here mostly unrelated to his ideas in the article.

He said these frogs use their bright colours as warnings they are poisonous.

this is a common conclusion about poisonous creatures and the wild colours of their bodies. 

yet I suggest its not true. Skinks, these frogs, bees, ladybugs, and coloured snakes and lizards etc etc do not have these bright colours to warn creatures about having poison or being dangerous.

Instead , i say, these colours only simply demand creatures NOTICE them.

Nothing to do with creatures having the knowledge of poison in them.

WHY should it be that noticing them is important?? 

This is so the creatures notice how bold the many coloured critters are. its seeing this boldness that frightens them. The skunk is boldly in front of everyone and so advertising he is danfgerous. His stripes just emphasize this in the dark.

Why should boldness work to scare critters?

The same reason, I suggest, that creatures had the fear of man put in them after the flood.

Man is seen as fearful by creatures because of our boldness in body language.

So god put this concluesion in creatures and so they fear our boldness. So why not other creatures? Well they do.

The poison only backs up the creature in its statement and gives the creature confidence to be bold.

Yet the animal kingdom is not smart enough to memorize colors as warning and others as not. The colours just demand everyone noticing that these creatures are boldly walking around. so they are dangerous. they don't need to move quick or carefully or in camoflaudgye.

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MY response from this post is that while I agree to some extent about coloration, There is every reason to believe that bright colors do affect other animals.  But my quesiton to you, is this:

are you saying that animals and man were completley harmonious before the flood?  That there was no fear of man before the flood? Why this view?  where in sciurpture do you get this?  Pre-flood men ate mammoths, and all kinds of animals, we know this from historic documentation.  It was clear to me that animals were trapped and shot with arrows and other ways of trapping them.  I get no sense form history that man and animals were completley on friendly terms, and in fact animals feared man before the flood?  Or are you implying that man did not eat animals before the flood? I am confused by your view?  Could elucidate a bit more on that?  What evidence could you put forth that man did not eat or trap or kill animals after the flood? I just don't see it.



Lou Hamby said:

MY response from this post is that while I agree to some extent about coloration, There is every reason to believe that bright colors do affect other animals.  But my quesiton to you, is this:

are you saying that animals and man were completley harmonious before the flood?  That there was no fear of man before the flood? Why this view?  where in sciurpture do you get this?  Pre-flood men ate mammoths, and all kinds of animals, we know this from historic documentation.  It was clear to me that animals were trapped and shot with arrows and other ways of trapping them.  I get no sense form history that man and animals were completley on friendly terms, and in fact animals feared man before the flood?  Or are you implying that man did not eat animals before the flood? I am confused by your view?  Could elucidate a bit more on that?  What evidence could you put forth that man did not eat or trap or kill animals after the flood? I just don't see it.

Off thread but its okay.

God said after the flood there would be this fear. WHY?

Because before the flood there was no the problem of people/creatures mingling in a unsafe way.

We needed some help.

its common opinion in YEC that we didn't eat creatures before the flood.

I think evidence of this is in our wisdom teeth problems.

A changed diet affected our teeth/jaw actions.

anyways.

mammoths were only a post flood creature. i don't think on the ark there was elephants as we now know them.

Anyways all mammoth stiff is centuries after the flood its in the iice age.

you did make a point to me.

if our boldness is the reason then WHY was this NOT a factor before the flood.

Possibly god tweeted critters more or truly we were so segregated from tough animals it never was a issue one way or the other.

How did god put the dread of man in creatures? I still think its our boldness and this likewise is in poison creatures. To creatures man is as dangerois as creatures with poison.

Their boldness , including loud looks, frightens the other creatures.

Hey Lou! What is your evidence that period man ate mammoths? What is your evidence that an ice age mammoth and the ice age itself were preflood?

I  am not arguing pre or post flood? We have weaponized mammoth Ivory and Ivory of rhino's that have been found in mammoth rib cage in Siberia.  We also have many Neanderthal sites where the bones of Mammoth showed cuttings via dismemberment.  We have bones with spear heads in them.

I know you would reject any inference that man was killing Mammoths pre-flood? But if man was eating meat after the fall then why should there be any argument?  If you believe that various mammoths are an offspring via the flood dispersion and did not exist prior to the flood, I humbly don't take that view.  I believe that Mammoths were created and  implemented into our biopshere during the first 6 days of creation.  Good to see you post friend. 

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