Replying to Atheist's Question: sex in heaven?

Had a long talk with an Atheist friend of mine.  Now, I can handle all of the creation, evolution, science, facts/assumptions, etc apologetics.  I can handle most of the theology.  But He stumped me.  Basic Question:

Will there be sex in Heaven?

So, sex is a gift from God.  He want's us to enjoy it so it is pleasurable.  He has blessed it (within marriage).  So, would He take away a gift He has blessed when we get to Heaven?  I can't find anything to answer this except that the Law says it is only for within marriage.  There will be no marriage in Heaven.  However, there will also be no Mosaic Law (as it's purpose is a schoolmaster showing us our sin which we will not have need for in Heaven) either.  

He also has a problem with "what will we do in Heaven."  And the answer 'worship God in His presence' doesn't cut it because as a non-Christian, that doesn't sound like enough.  As a Christian, it is more than enough, but not something I can relate.  With this in mind, I could accept that sex will not be an issue or desire because the worshiping God will be so much better, but at the same time, we will still eat though we will not need to from hunger or sustenance, but simply out of pleasure. So by THAT token, still having the pleasure of sex makes sense as well.

I simply cannot find a Scriptural answer.  Thoughts?

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Permalink Reply by Rut Woods-Marks on January 3, 2012 at 3:06pm

It is hard to analyse Heaven through our fallen lense.  I don't think we will even be concerned about sex when we get there, to be honest.

Permalink Reply by Douglas Collins on January 19, 2012 at 2:58pm

Arthur said,

"I can't find anything to answer this except that the Law says it is only for within marriage.  There will be no marriage in Heaven.  However, there will also be no Mosaic Law (as it's purpose is a schoolmaster showing us our sin which we will not have need for in Heaven) either. "

My response:

Even though, the law was fulfilled in Christ and was our schoolmaster, the New Testament also teaches that sex is only for a man and his wife. Since, God's word is forever settled in heaven, and since, God's principles can not change, and since there will be no marriage between individual saints - I would have to say that there will be no sex in heaven.

Just my two cents worth. God Bless.

 

 

Permalink Reply by Brian Guiley on February 23, 2012 at 6:20pm

Glenn,

There are good arguments against sex in heaven, and many have been posted, yours fails however for the following reason, sex predated death.  God commanded Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply prior to sinning, and by extension, prior to death.  Therefore, Sex is not a counter to death.  Your argument fails in its first premise, thus invalidating the argument.

Permalink Reply by Brian Guiley on February 23, 2012 at 7:16pm

Glenn,

And here we have again your own understanding by which you trump everyone elses.  God said to man, (male and female) in Genesis 1:27 to be fruitful and multiply.  God created the heavens and the earth and all that is in them in 6 days (Exodus 20:11) - therefore Eve was part of that.  Being female, and the mother of all the living, we can infer her to be the female in Genesis 1:27.

Even allowing for your delusion of Eve created after the 6 days, he still commanded male and female to be fruitful and multiply on day 6, thus the means of doing so would have been part of their capabilities, and thus preceded sin, as sin came after the 6 days.

Permalink Reply by Jim Brenneman on February 24, 2012 at 1:47pm

Glenn raises an excellent point in refutation of Islam. Well-stated.

Glenn Graham said:

Sex carries on the creation through time, because everything dies - the earth is covered with the veil of death by the anointed cherub who covers, Christ is our way through this veil of death... our ONLY way.

There is no death in heaven or in the new heavens and earth[Rev21], therefore no sex.

That begs the question - Why does allah reward his martyrs with earthly things?[72 virgins]

Permalink Reply by Brian Guiley on February 24, 2012 at 2:43pm

My assumption that scripture cannot contradict scripture?  That when God says he created everything in 6 days it was 6 days and included.... everything?  That when God says he created man Male and Female that the female mentioned is Eve (and the male Adam), who is later declared the mother of all.  It would seem you are making assumptions as well sir (in contradiction to mine).  If you wish to address the issues of assumptions and the implications they imbue, then answer the many questions I've raised to you about these assumptions of yours.


Glenn Graham said:

Nevertheless - there is no naming of animals in Gen1, nor does God tell Eve 'Be fruitful & multiply' in Gen2 - your assumptions about Scripture are leading you to incorrect conclusions[your 'Ptolomaic approach'[Ecc3:11], 'Bones'.

Brian Guiley said:

Glenn,

And here we have again your own understanding by which you trump everyone elses.  God said to man, (male and female) in Genesis 1:27 to be fruitful and multiply.  God created the heavens and the earth and all that is in them in 6 days (Exodus 20:11) - therefore Eve was part of that.  Being female, and the mother of all the living, we can infer her to be the female in Genesis 1:27.

Even allowing for your delusion of Eve created after the 6 days, he still commanded male and female to be fruitful and multiply on day 6, thus the means of doing so would have been part of their capabilities, and thus preceded sin, as sin came after the 6 days.

Permalink Reply by Douglas Collins on February 25, 2012 at 12:13pm

Glenn,

      Am I to assume correctly that you do not believe that Eve was there when God commanded Adam to "Be fruitful and multiply"? If that is the case, why would God give Adam a commandment that he couldn't obey? If I were Adam and God had given me that commandment, yet Eve had not yet been created, then I would have looked at God and said, "Lord, How?"

I do not believe that God would give any of His children a commandment without FIRST making a way for us to keep that commandment. After all, Our God is a logical and fair God. 

Genesis 1:28 states:  "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply,...".

I believe that the word "them" refers to Adam and Eve. If Eve was not present when God spoke these words, then who else would "them" refer to? Since "them" is plural, God was obviously speaking to more than one person? Who was the other person he was speaking to (other than Adam)?

 
Glenn Graham said:

Really? This is very, very good! Lets be nice -

Show me in Gen2, because Adam names no animals in Genesis1, where God[&Christ{the 'Us'}] says to Eve 'Be fruitful & multiply'? 

to Eve -

Brian Guiley said:

Glenn,

There are good arguments against sex in heaven, and many have been posted, yours fails however for the following reason, sex predated death.  God commanded Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply prior to sinning, and by extension, prior to death.  Therefore, Sex is not a counter to death.  Your argument fails in its first premise, thus invalidating the argument.

Permalink Reply by Jim Brenneman on February 25, 2012 at 2:54pm

The brother has trouble dealing with what the Bible does say, and consistently bases his ideas on what it does not say, arguing from the silence of Scripture,

Show me in Gen2, because Adam names no animals in Genesis1, where God[&Christ{the 'Us'}] says to Eve 'Be fruitful & multiply'?

Or he bases his ideas on mysterious mathematical codes,

Or he bases his ideas on his own unique "prophetic revelation,"

Or he bases his ideas on extra-biblical ancient documents which are not ever recognized as Scripture.

But he never ever wants to talk about what the Bible actually does declare in simple straightforward language.

And he never wants to discuss Genesis and origins, except as a jumping of point for digression in to eschatology and Islam.

Being as this is a creationist forum, for people who seek to take the simple grammatical sense of biblical narrative, then I would hope that brother Glenn finds somewhere a platform where people will eagerly welcome and relish his points of view.

But for me, I don't have time for this here.

Permalink Reply by Rut Woods-Marks on March 3, 2012 at 11:02pm



Terrance Egolf said:

"In a word, "No," and move on to the Romans Road or something.

 

Those in a marriage are said to become one flesh. Since we as the Church are presented as Christ's chaste virgin (2 Cor. 11:2), sexual relationships simply are not on the radar. Sexuality was created to make the act of procreation pleasurable, since one of our first priorities was to fill the earth with people (Genesis 1:28). That will no longer be one of our tasks. There are going to be a lot of things that we no longer experience in the New Creation. No pain, suffering, anger, fear, lust, hunger, jealousy. And we won't be doing many things we do here now, like sleeping, sailing, swimming, etc. (no more sea). This is a question that can and should be dismissed as irrelevant to the Gospel. It's too easy to get caught up in the vision of perfect heavenly sex, sort of like the Muslims do."

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That is what I am thinking.  Procreation will not be happening in Heaven.  Procreation is the ultimate purpose of sex.  In God's order of things, sex belongs in marriage. 

Matthew 22:30 - For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.

The statement "Like the angels in Heaven" implies that we won't be having sexual relationships, but may have characteristics similar to angels.  What that means remains to be seen.

Pardon the formatting.  I can't seem to get my reply to appear outside the grey bar.

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