So I had yet another thought about light. Without rereading my previous questions and the answers given in them, I remember asking about whether it is possible for the existence of different kinds of light. This evening, something occurred to me that struck me kind of strongly. God is light! Yes, I know that’s obvious. Still….

Pertaining to the alleged need for light to have travelled for 13.4 billion years (as opposed to only 6,000 or so) in order for us to be able to see the furthest galaxies, and how come we can see the furthest galaxies if Creation hasn't been around long enough that we should be able to see them: It occurs to me that God is light. So, what if we haven’t a need to wait for light to travel from there to here because Light is everywhere present, which is to say that because God is, we can see everything in the universe now. (Someone may be annoyed that I keep coming back to this, but the fact is that we can see the entire universe now!)

Someone once said that that would mean that the events we see having occurred in space far far away never happened. But doesn’t that assume we’re looking back in time the further out we gaze? What if we’re not? Or what if there’s more to space than what we realize? And what if different parts of space act like prisms concerning light and time? What if light is everywhere present because God is, and the universe is lit because God lit the universe on day 1 with himself, his own light? What if his existence is the reason we can see (as far as we know) the furthest reaches of space, but that that works in conglomeration with other yet to be discovered factors that make it possible for those things to all have occurred within 6000 years? What if something like the flood miracle simultaneously occurred in space? What if God didn’t just rip open the fountains of the deep Earth, but ripped apart all of Creation as well, in the space of 40 days and 40 nights?

One thing is for sure: God created all there is in a span of six 24-hour periods of days and nights, approximately 6000 years ago. According to the laws of physics as we understand them today, the things we observe in Nature are not naturally possible. Therefore, isn’t it possible that God may have suspended the laws of physics between the time he first created and today? Isn’t it possible he may have done so more than once; say, at the moment Adam sinned, during the time of the flood, in the time of Peleg, when he held the Sun in place for 24 hours with Joshua, and at the death of our Lord and Savior when he ripped open the tombs and many of the dead rose to life to testify of our Lord?

Afterthought: Then again, I do remember that someone mentioned about there being day and night. So, I'm not sure how that would come into play. It may just nullify everything I just speculated. haha  But there is obviously something different about the light on day one that seems to imply that all of creation had been lighted. Light was there before the Sun and Moon, and before the stars and galaxies. So why shouldn't we be able to see every created thing in existence. It's only reasonable!

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See, this is confusing. I just posted The Light Thing Again and there was no place that indicated any kind of discussion, nor to select what discussion to include it in, yet I see it is posted in Vital Life Questions. I never even viewed Vital Life Questions, let alone attempted to post anything to that topic. Can someone help me understand what it is I am doing wrong?

i just wrote a thread on this .

The bible, implies, light was created by God. Not light sources. so light is everwhere. then he divided it into day/night. so its divided. Yet light doesn't exist in space except in things as a source.

So its a option light is evertywhere and the source only provokes it into being seen.

So there is no light traveling or speed of light but only the provakation is traveling.

so light from the distant galexies is not been traveling but was instant.

its possible now 'light provocation' is interfered with but not originally.

the stars were created on creation week and after a few days and in operation for the purpose they were created. Adam saw all the stars and more probably then we do.

Einstein said in his old age he didn't know what light.

What is light? Here is an altnernative:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ5ZWbVWMBU&t=8s

I was trying to read about the light-split experiment and wonder if they where looking at a chain of light rather than light being at two places according to where you look. Does light travel?

Job 38

:19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,
:20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?

That's fascinating. My thinking is that whatever light was on day one, it seems to me to be different than light as we understand it today. I'm not saying that's the case. I'm no one to argue with those who are much more in the know than I could ever be. I just like to express ideas as they come to me, and it seems to me that maybe we're just thinking about the whole thing wrongly. As I've stated before, God lit the universe on day one. The one point that baffles me is what someone else rightly pointed out before, and that is that there was evening and a morning. So, it would seem there was a source of either light or dark that caused there to be a break between the two.

Another interesting observation is about something I read this morning from Brian Thomas' article Time and Creation. He said, "One of God's first acts of creation was to invent a giant device to mark time--a spinning earth near a light source that delineated evening and morning." But Scripture says God created light on day one. It doesn't tell us anything about creating any "light sources" until day four. Mr. Thomas is assuming a "light source" because of everything we know about light today; but there isn't any indication in Scripture that a "source" of light was created, but only light.

So then, how was there an evening and a morning? I don't know! haha And I'm not trying to say there wasn't a "light source". I'm only saying that to say there was is to presuppose one. Someone might say that God is light; but, I would reply that He is un-created, and we're talking about light created on day one.

My assumption is this: with the right equipment to help us, I think it has become evident that we can see everything in the entire cosmos regardless of time/distance because God lit the universe on day one. Unless someone wants to suppose we are looking back in time the farther out we peer, that is. The problem with that is the potential for an indefinite amount of time to continue to keep growing indefinitely! Combine that with our knowledge of the Scriptures and it would necessarily mean that distance cannot equal time. There must be another explanation. It must be something else!

So, how could there have been evening and morning? Again, I don't know! And what about all these events we see happening that would seem to have taken place eons ago? That would mean they never really happened? Once again, I don't know that either. I don't know the plausibility, (I'm not a scientist, nor a math scholar by any stretch... hahaha) but maybe they could be supernatural evidence of the result of the fall when Adam broke the universe, or further evidence of Noah's flood. Maybe the flood was universal - so to speak, and not just bound to our Earth.

I don't know. But whatever happened, it cannot contradict God's word! (Which I might be doing too. So, please someone point it out if I am. Thanks!)

Donald Smith said:

What is light? Here is an altnernative:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ5ZWbVWMBU&t=8s

I was trying to read about the light-split experiment and wonder if they where looking at a chain of light rather than light being at two places according to where you look. Does light travel?

Job 38

:19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,
:20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?

Day and night was Gods intention of creating time. All this before the sun was organized with our earth. Its a clue. Our day/night is only a special case. 

The days were important to God as he created on days. he stressed evening/morning equals days. So the day is very important to God and so the night. Just as he said when he created day/night by use of light.

Hmmm. therefore day/night must mean almost a biological thing to affect biological creatures for eternity. Then the fall came.

Possibly all planets that ever would be would have day and night despite dyration.

so light/dark had to be segregated to bring this to pass.

When god created light, then divided the day from night it led to the universe no longer being lit.

it is beneath the surface. POSSIBLY light is everywhere. no light speed exists. its a wrong idea perhaps. the speed is just what is lit.

likewise the stars wewre lit instantly and only now is there a interference to the lit light.

possibly from the fall or just a condition of the match.

Einstein said he didn't know what light was despite it being a main objective of his to know it. 

I found this book to shed some light (pardon the pun) on this subject: The Physics of Einstein: Black holes, time travel, distant starlight, E=mc2 by Dr. Jason Lisle. 

Yours in Christ,

Robert



Robert Driskell said:

I found this book to shed some light (pardon the pun) on this subject: The Physics of Einstein: Black holes, time travel, distant starlight, E=mc2 by Dr. Jason Lisle. 

Yours in Christ,

thanks. yet its the same stuff they always say. there are lots of good youtube videos on these subjects. better then books often.

The bible starts with some presumption THOSE DIUDES don't like.

Hi Robert,

Maybe I wasn't clear, sorry.  Dr. Lisle believes in a young earth and this book I recommended is his, and others, theory on the properties of light.  The book shows how Einstein's theory actually helps the young earth position. It has some interesting information that applies to the "Starlight Problem".

Yours in Christ,

Robert

Robert Byers said:



Robert Driskell said:

I found this book to shed some light (pardon the pun) on this subject: The Physics of Einstein: Black holes, time travel, distant starlight, E=mc2 by Dr. Jason Lisle. 

Yours in Christ,

thanks. yet its the same stuff they always say. there are lots of good youtube videos on these subjects. better then books often.

The bible starts with some presumption THOSE DIUDES don't like.



Robert Driskell said:

Hi Robert,

Maybe I wasn't clear, sorry.  Dr. Lisle believes in a young earth and this book I recommended is his, and others, theory on the properties of light.  The book shows how Einstein's theory actually helps the young earth position. It has some interesting information that applies to the "Starlight Problem".

Yours in Christ,

Robert

Robert Byers said:



Robert Driskell said:

I found this book to shed some light (pardon the pun) on this subject: The Physics of Einstein: Black holes, time travel, distant starlight, E=mc2 by Dr. Jason Lisle. 

Yours in Christ,

thanks. yet its the same stuff they always say. there are lots of good youtube videos on these subjects. better then books often.

The bible starts with some presumption THOSE DIUDES don't like.

It was probably my error. Didn't pay attention to the authors. Sorry.

A lot of things happened in creation week that are beyond standard textbook physics, so God simply could have accelerated the speed of light by many orders of magnitude on the day he created the stars.  But if, in stretching out the heavens, a white h*** type of time warp made it so that billions of years of clock time happened at the stars while one day occurred on earth clocks, it works for me.  In the first instance, the stars would only be about 6000 years old.  In the second they would actually be billions of years old by clocks on those stars, but still only a day of time on earth, and that a normal 24 hour day.

Seems like, to oversimplify, as God stretched the heavens out, light from all those objects (presumably originating at the center of the universe--i.e., near our planet earth) would have come directly to us and as they accelerated out away from the center those light beams stretched out or emitted under an accelerated speed of light and/or time, and so kept continuity as beams of light to earth. 

And as God stretched out the heavens, perhaps he caused some stars to explode and other events to happen to make it far more interesting than just a sky full of stars all the same.  Or maybe the intense speeds caused some to explode.  In either way, God decorated the heavens.

One of the books I read on this topic seemed to suggest that there is a clear demarcation about 6000 light years out where some property of light changes, suggesting the initial stretching out followed by ~6000 years of light flow under post-creation-week conditions.

No matter, there is so much evidence for the veracity of the Bible that we need not worry about these things, but it certainly is fun to study and propose solutions and it definitely is needed since the dark (unenlightened) side is studying and proposing their concocted answers.  We have the advantage because God gave us a solid framework upon which to hang our studies of how it all came to be, vs the dark sides foundation of shifting sand.

A book I recently read says that when an atheist says "There is no god," they have just assumed god-like properties to be able to know all things in order to make such a statement.  At best they can say, "I don't think there is a god" but that puts them more into the agnostic camp.  Well, I think I have veered away from starlight, so I'll quit now.

Dan said:

 The one point that baffles me is what someone else rightly pointed out before, and that is that there was evening and a morning. So, it would seem there was a source of either light or dark that caused there to be a break between the two.

Hi, Dan. My friend (a theologian and pastor) explained the light on the first day to me this way. He said God put a huge ball of light a long ways from the earth on the first day, but that light was there on the earth that very day, because God made it so. That huge ball of fire was used later to make the Sun, moon, and all the other planets and stars.

Also the day he made those other stars and such, their light was instantly there on earth for the sake of all the living things he made. The current laws of physics do not apply to the living God. He can suspend those laws whenever he likes. We can see how Christ did that in every miracle he did, including walking on the water. Only the creation is limited by those laws, not the Creator. He is a supernatural God with "all power." Another great example of that is when he stopped the rotation of the earth upon Joshua's command inspired by God, the sun standing still in the sky for about a day.

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