The Pre-Adamite World/Adamic Creation Doctrines, Parts One & Two
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"Snakes and lizards not beautiful now?" Well, there are various snakes and lizards that are quite colorful.
According to this doctrine, Lucifer fell before the fall of Adam, somewhere between verse one and verse 2 of Genesis, as indicated by the Hebrew meanings within verse 2; Jeremiah 4:23-27; see also John 1:1-5
Lucifer was in charge of earth - see Isaiah 14:12-14; Ezekiel 28:13-18
"First man (Adam)"; could it be that this means Adam to be the first human to be in charge of the earth?
"Darkness" - when one examines the Hebrew words for "was" which is "became" and "without form and void," it is reasonable to conclude that the verse would read "And the earth became without form and void..."
One of the Bible study laws I have been learning is called "The Law of Double Reference," which states that "the scriptures can have a primary meaning and a secondary meaning." For example - the word darkness of Gen. 1:2 parallels with John 1:1-5's word darkness.
Pastor Jim Baughman said:Since the Bible calls Adam the "first man" could there still be any other human like beings that God created before the fall of Satan?
Also, since the Serpant was beautiful and snakes and lizards that we see today are not, could it be possible that these were also part of an earlier creation?
Also, since our world desperately needs darkness and light for life to exist on our planet. Why are some "old earth" or "Gap theory" guys so strong on the belief that "darkness" always represents sin?
PJB
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Humans naturally die. It was the serpent who lied to us and told us we were immortal and would not die. without the gift of life (via the tree of life) we will not live forever. Adam's sin denies us access to the tree of life, for now. Sorry guys there is no "magical" reason for why we would or wouldnt die (and no, its not entropy's fault either, its a matter of technology). Moreover, Cain feared for his life because there were already other people on this planet. you dont honestly think the first person ever born on this Earth was worried about the few siblings he had encountering him and killing him after he disbanded himself do you?
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Jonathan said:Humans naturally die. It was the serpent who lied to us and told us we were immortal and would not die. without the gift of life (via the tree of life) we will not live forever. Adam's sin denies us access to the tree of life, for now. Sorry guys there is no "magical" reason for why we would or wouldnt die (and no, its not entropy's fault either, its a matter of technology). Moreover, Cain feared for his life because there were already other people on this planet. you dont honestly think the first person ever born on this Earth was worried about the few siblings he had encountering him and killing him after he disbanded himself do you?
Jonathan,
Humans naturally die now, but whether they would have or not then is not stated directly, but being as how death is always tied to sin, in a world without sin, death would not be a reality. Through Adam death entered the world, not through Adam we were denied life. There existing any other people prior to or simultaneously with Adam would imply that he was not the progenitor of all, and that his act did not affect all. Through ONE man sin entered the world, and so ONE man could take it away again. You imply few others in Adam's line at the time of Cain, but we are not told how many siblings he had, nor how many neices, nephews, great neices, great nephews, children, grand children, etc that were in existence at the time of Cain, but knowing the great life spans of people in that time, and that Adam and Eve did not have to grow into child bearing years, the number of people on the earth could and probably was increasing exponentially. Consider, that Adam and Eve bore Seth when Adam was 130 years old, and this was to replace Abel. In that 130 years Cain and Abel grew up. Who else was born to Adam and Eve in that time. One child a year would be 130. half would be 65. Of those, how many were full grown and had their own children? Start bearing children at say 30? (could be much sooner)
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your talking about a couple thousand people at most.
but to get to a more important point, you say
"Through Adam death entered the world, not through Adam we were denied life"
According to the bible you are wrong.
"Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever--" therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden to work the ground from which he was taken. He drove out the man, and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life."
"...but whether they would have or not then is not stated directly." Well, if they need the tree of life to live forever, then yeah, it kinda is. I was a bit unclear in how I worded my first post. It IS a matter of entropy, and that is why we need the tree of life to live forever, and that is how we theoretically (presuming we could work our way against god) could have lived forever even after sinning (hence the tree being guarded "lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever"). Basically the idea that mankind's sin is what causes stars to succumb to the forces of nature and explode is false. And I still stand by my reasoning that the few Adamites on this earth would have left their families to go and kill Cain.
Also Gen 4:16 Then Cain went away from the presence of the LORD and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
I really dont think this is to be taken as "Cain stopped talking to God, then headed east" more like "Cain left the region where the presence of God was manifesting, and settled in the land of Nod, away from Eden."
Brian Guiley said:Jonathan said:Humans naturally die. It was the serpent who lied to us and told us we were immortal and would not die. without the gift of life (via the tree of life) we will not live forever. Adam's sin denies us access to the tree of life, for now. Sorry guys there is no "magical" reason for why we would or wouldnt die (and no, its not entropy's fault either, its a matter of technology). Moreover, Cain feared for his life because there were already other people on this planet. you dont honestly think the first person ever born on this Earth was worried about the few siblings he had encountering him and killing him after he disbanded himself do you?
Jonathan,
Humans naturally die now, but whether they would have or not then is not stated directly, but being as how death is always tied to sin, in a world without sin, death would not be a reality. Through Adam death entered the world, not through Adam we were denied life. There existing any other people prior to or simultaneously with Adam would imply that he was not the progenitor of all, and that his act did not affect all. Through ONE man sin entered the world, and so ONE man could take it away again. You imply few others in Adam's line at the time of Cain, but we are not told how many siblings he had, nor how many neices, nephews, great neices, great nephews, children, grand children, etc that were in existence at the time of Cain, but knowing the great life spans of people in that time, and that Adam and Eve did not have to grow into child bearing years, the number of people on the earth could and probably was increasing exponentially. Consider, that Adam and Eve bore Seth when Adam was 130 years old, and this was to replace Abel. In that 130 years Cain and Abel grew up. Who else was born to Adam and Eve in that time. One child a year would be 130. half would be 65. Of those, how many were full grown and had their own children? Start bearing children at say 30? (could be much sooner)
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So lets recap:
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
The rest of this chapter is talking about God replenishing the earth that he made.
He created to be inhabited. Isaiah 45:18. For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited:
To me that is a very simple reason. And tells me that physical beings could have been here before humans.
The second verse of Genesis says: And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
In this verse we have the existence of the earth, darkness and waters BEFORE day 1.
In Hebrew the word "moved" is rachaph which means to brood, relax, flutter and shake.
The Hebrew words tohu va bohu menas waste and empty (Jeremiah 4:23) Well the earth was not created like this in the beginning. It was perfect. It became like this because of sin.If God is light, then where did the darkness come from? (I will put this part the bottom of this post.)
The word "became" is hayah - came to pass and be in the sense of become. So when he says "let there be light" he is saying let there become light. Which would be the first appearance of light from the sun since God commanded the heavens to withhold the light from the earth causing judgment. (Jeremiah 4:23-26)
Well in verse 10 of that same chapter God called the dry land, earth. So earth is dry land.
And the earth was without form, and void is basically saying that the earth was in a state of chaos.
In verse two the land is wet. Well that would be a universal flood if there ever was one. In verse 9 he says "and let the dry land appear." He didn't say "let there be dry land" So the dry land was already there under the waters; the earth he flooded. Now we learned through the story of Noah that God does not send a flood without a defiant cause. Now look over here in Isaiah 14.
This is where it gets like Star Wars:12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! (notice here, Lucifer is called "son of the morning" Just like Jesus Christ was called "son of the morning" (Rev 22:16; 2 Peter 1:19;Rev 2:28) If Jesus Christ is the true Lucifer, then the fallen Lucifer must be a counterfeit. If Jesus is the Christ/the Messiah, then the fallen Lucifer must be the anti-Christ/the false Messiah.)
(12 continued) how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
That tells you right there that Lucifer was on the earth. He said he would ascend above the clouds and he will exalt his throne above the stars. Well that must mean he was down on earth if he had to ascend above the clouds to get to heaven.Ascend - The Greek word "anabaino" which simply means to go up of own power. In Latin Literally mean to climb up. Enoch, Elijah and Moses did not go to heaven using there own power.
Gen 5:24 says God took him.In Hebrews 11:5 It says God translated Enoch so he would not see death. Again, Enoch did not do this himself. That is just one example of that subject. The rest you can look up yourself.
John (revelations 4:1)
Elijah (2 kings 2:11)
Paul (2 cor 12:1-3) He was caught up. Taken. He went to the third heaven. (there are 3 heavens)
Christ ascended and came back before His final ascension to heaven to say (John 20:17)
John 3:13 proves that Jesus had already ascended when John wrote this book; that the conversation with Nicodemus ended with verse 12 and that Jesus was now in Heaven.
He weakened the NATIONS that he himself was ruling BEFORE he tried to ascend to heaven and take over the thrown. That also tells me that there were nations on the earth before he tried to invaded heaven and fell. So he must have had his own kingdom and wanted to exalt his kingdom above Gods kingdom. He wanted to become like the most high.
I mean he had plenty of time to deceive his nation. So God must have let his rebellion go until he got to heaven. Then Luke said said "I beheld (watched) Satan has lighting fall from heaven. So he Tried to ascend and invade heaven and actually got there until God struck him back to the ground. like he crashed landed back to earth lolverse 12 says "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground."Basically God is saying, ""what made you land back on the ground in defeat? You tried to exalt yourself above me! But it didn't work.""
Jeremiah said he saw the same thing that moses saw and he explains it in even more detail.
Jeremiah 4 23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
If he saw the earth without form or void then he must have seen it in the same time realm that Moses did. Because that was "in the beginning."
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. 25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. 26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Now he is saying he saw the earth with no man no fruit and the cities he did see were broken down by his fierce anger. Now this was before Adam. He saw this the same time Moses did. You have to put all those birds and cities back before Genesis 1 and 2. So there is proof according to the bible that there were cities before the generation of Adam. Which would mean that the earth was inhabited before Adam as well.
2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
Well now look here. THE WORLD THAT THEN WAS. was flooded and perished.
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.So now the earth since the six days of restoration are kept in store until the day of judgment.
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness
So Peter has pictures 3 worlds. The world that then was, the world that now is and the new world God has promised after his coming.If the world that then was is the same as the world that now is, then there wasn't' any such thing as the world that then was. There was only the world that now is. (yeah I know)
We could get into much more detail with each verse but it would be a lot of typing.
Plus I would like to point out here that in Genesis 1 and 2 you learn a lot about God and him "knowing" everything. (debunking predestination. You might not agree with this at all.)When God brought the animals to Adam to SEE what he would call them. Well now, Why would God need to do that? Doesn't he already know? I don't think so. God basically is watching and learning about his own creation. There are so many verse in the bible that shows that God sees, (just like he "saw" that it was good in the creation days) discovers and finds out about human affairs, just like this verse. Here are some more. Genesis: 6:5-6; 11:5; 18:21; 22:12; 29;31; Exodus 3:4. There are a lot more as well. Oh and Jonah 3:10
Back to where did the darkness come from?
Is. 45:7 says God created Evil and Darkness. So I mean that's pretty plain. Okay, okay, lets look into this more deeply now. The Hebrew word for create is bara and here it means to bring about; bring into existence. The Hebrew word for evil is ra It is never rendered sin, but evil. Calamity (Psalm 141:5) adversity (1 Sam 10:19; Psalm 94:13; Eccl. 7:14; Grief (Neh 2:10); Sorrow (Gen 44:29); Trouble (Psalm 27:4;41:1; 107:26; 41:1) Distress (Neh 2:17) Bad (Gen 24:50) Affliction (Numbers 11:11) Misery (Eccl 8:6) Noisome (Ez 14:15,21) Hurt (Gen 26:29 and Wretchedness (Num 11:14)
The idea that God has made the law of sowing and reaping, and evil and bad results will come when men sin. God has decreed that misery, wretchedness, sorrow, trouble and distress will come as a result of sin (Galatians 6:7-8) ra is translated evil 430 times and never with the idea that sin is created by God. If men sin and reap for it, the responsibility for both is theirs. God simply made the law and penalties for breaking the law which will always be in force.
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I would also like to add:
There is a reason why Christ was preordained from the foundations of the world. This is how God plans. It is perfect.
Earth's First Sinful Career Lucifer was the first to be exalted in pride, and he and his angelic followers were the first to attempt the overthrow of God's government. They Were responsible for earth's first sinful career. Had they remained true to God there would have been no flood and chaos as in Gen. 1.2, and therefore no need of the 6 days of Gen. 1:3-2:25 to restore the earth to a second habitable state, and no need for the creation of new land animals, fish, fowls, and man to rule the planet earth. Lucifer and the pre-Adamites would have continued to live on earth and carryout the plan of dominion over the earth now designed for man. The entire Bible message is centered around the complete redemption of man which includes ridding the earth of all rebellion, so that in the new heavens and new earth the original state of the universal kingdom of God will be fully restored, and God will be all in all eternally (1 Cor. 15:24-28; Eph. 1:10; Rev. 21-22).
Earth's Second Sinful Career When Adam rebelled the earth entered its second sinful career. In God's plan, we are now nearing the end of Adam's rebellion. God is soon to send Christ with the armies of heaven to defeat the armies of Antichrist and seize the governments of this world. This He will do in one day (Zech. 14:7) and for the purpose of setting up a righteous government on earth forever. The first 1,000 years of the eternal king-dom will be for putting down all rebellion so as to restore God's sovereignty in all parts of the universe as before Lucifer and Adam rebelled (1 Cor. 15:24-al a 28; Eph. 1:10; Rev. 21-22). Saints, the redeemed ones of the human race from the time of Adam to the 2nd advent of Christ, will be the future kings and priests under God and Christ to reign over the dominion originally given to Adam (Ps. 8; Isa. 9:6-7; Dan. 2:44- 45; 7:1314, 18, 27; Zech. 14; Lk. 1:32-33; Acts 15:13-a, 18; 2 Th. 1:7-10; Jude 14-15: Rev. 1:5;5:l0; 11:15; 20:411. 6; 22:1-5).
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Permalink Reply by Janice Lynette Driggers on
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Josh said:I would also like to add:
There is a reason why Christ was preordained from the foundations of the world. This is how God plans. It is perfect.
Earth's First Sinful Career Lucifer was the first to be exalted in pride, and he and his angelic followers were the first to attempt the overthrow of God's government. They Were responsible for earth's first sinful career. Had they remained true to God there would have been no flood and chaos as in Gen. 1.2, and therefore no need of the 6 days of Gen. 1:3-2:25 to restore the earth to a second habitable state, and no need for the creation of new land animals, fish, fowls, and man to rule the planet earth. Lucifer and the pre-Adamites would have continued to live on earth and carryout the plan of dominion over the earth now designed for man. The entire Bible message is centered around the complete redemption of man which includes ridding the earth of all rebellion, so that in the new heavens and new earth the original state of the universal kingdom of God will be fully restored, and God will be all in all eternally (1 Cor. 15:24-28; Eph. 1:10; Rev. 21-22).
Earth's Second Sinful Career When Adam rebelled the earth entered its second sinful career. In God's plan, we are now nearing the end of Adam's rebellion. God is soon to send Christ with the armies of heaven to defeat the armies of Antichrist and seize the governments of this world. This He will do in one day (Zech. 14:7) and for the purpose of setting up a righteous government on earth forever. The first 1,000 years of the eternal king-dom will be for putting down all rebellion so as to restore God's sovereignty in all parts of the universe as before Lucifer and Adam rebelled (1 Cor. 15:24-al a 28; Eph. 1:10; Rev. 21-22). Saints, the redeemed ones of the human race from the time of Adam to the 2nd advent of Christ, will be the future kings and priests under God and Christ to reign over the dominion originally given to Adam (Ps. 8; Isa. 9:6-7; Dan. 2:44- 45; 7:1314, 18, 27; Zech. 14; Lk. 1:32-33; Acts 15:13-a, 18; 2 Th. 1:7-10; Jude 14-15: Rev. 1:5;5:l0; 11:15; 20:411. 6; 22:1-5).
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I tried to comment and then I must have clicked something and it was erased. What I said was that I appreciate Josh's discussion of late and think it is a well done and thought out discussion. I wish I had more time to devote to my studies, however I am involved in taking care of my grandson while his parents work. Please help me pray that my daughter will be able to stay at home with him. They also have just moved and we have been helping them do that as well. I think I have part three written out of this discussion I started, but haven't typed it out yet. We are also in the process of rearranging our home to accomodate our grandson's arrival.
I love to study creation messages, and look forward to more in the future. I want to share some thoughts about the Jeremiah verses, one of which is about the phrase "and there was no man." To say that there were humans before Adam seems to be stretching things. I tend to believe that God was testing His angels out and that it was a world of angels with no people. And to believe that angels were in charge of people is hard for me to believe, due to what God said that people were created "in His image." There are also verses that indicate that Adam was the first man.
Again, thank you for your input.
Another brother mentioned that Cain "feared for his life." He takes that to mean that other people were on earth at the time. But, Cain, knowing the strength of angels, could mean that he feared that an angel would kill him. We open the door to Satan when we sin. Satan "steal, kills, and destroys."
Josh said:So lets recap:
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
The rest of this chapter is talking about God replenishing the earth that he made.
He created to be inhabited. Isaiah 45:18. For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited:
To me that is a very simple reason. And tells me that physical beings could have been here before humans.
The second verse of Genesis says: And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
In this verse we have the existence of the earth, darkness and waters BEFORE day 1.
In Hebrew the word "moved" is rachaph which means to brood, relax, flutter and shake.
The Hebrew words tohu va bohu menas waste and empty (Jeremiah 4:23) Well the earth was not created like this in the beginning. It was perfect. It became like this because of sin.If God is light, then where did the darkness come from? (I will put this part the bottom of this post.)
The word "became" is hayah - came to pass and be in the sense of become. So when he says "let there be light" he is saying let there become light. Which would be the first appearance of light from the sun since God commanded the heavens to withhold the light from the earth causing judgment. (Jeremiah 4:23-26)
Well in verse 10 of that same chapter God called the dry land, earth. So earth is dry land.
And the earth was without form, and void is basically saying that the earth was in a state of chaos.
In verse two the land is wet. Well that would be a universal flood if there ever was one. In verse 9 he says "and let the dry land appear." He didn't say "let there be dry land" So the dry land was already there under the waters; the earth he flooded. Now we learned through the story of Noah that God does not send a flood without a defiant cause. Now look over here in Isaiah 14.
This is where it gets like Star Wars:12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! (notice here, Lucifer is called "son of the morning" Just like Jesus Christ was called "son of the morning" (Rev 22:16; 2 Peter 1:19;Rev 2:28) If Jesus Christ is the true Lucifer, then the fallen Lucifer must be a counterfeit. If Jesus is the Christ/the Messiah, then the fallen Lucifer must be the anti-Christ/the false Messiah.)
(12 continued) how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
That tells you right there that Lucifer was on the earth. He said he would ascend above the clouds and he will exalt his throne above the stars. Well that must mean he was down on earth if he had to ascend above the clouds to get to heaven.Ascend - The Greek word "anabaino" which simply means to go up of own power. In Latin Literally mean to climb up. Enoch, Elijah and Moses did not go to heaven using there own power.
Gen 5:24 says God took him.In Hebrews 11:5 It says God translated Enoch so he would not see death. Again, Enoch did not do this himself. That is just one example of that subject. The rest you can look up yourself.
John (revelations 4:1)
Elijah (2 kings 2:11)
Paul (2 cor 12:1-3) He was caught up. Taken. He went to the third heaven. (there are 3 heavens)
Christ ascended and came back before His final ascension to heaven to say (John 20:17)
John 3:13 proves that Jesus had already ascended when John wrote this book; that the conversation with Nicodemus ended with verse 12 and that Jesus was now in Heaven.
He weakened the NATIONS that he himself was ruling BEFORE he tried to ascend to heaven and take over the thrown. That also tells me that there were nations on the earth before he tried to invaded heaven and fell. So he must have had his own kingdom and wanted to exalt his kingdom above Gods kingdom. He wanted to become like the most high.
I mean he had plenty of time to deceive his nation. So God must have let his rebellion go until he got to heaven. Then Luke said said "I beheld (watched) Satan has lighting fall from heaven. So he Tried to ascend and invade heaven and actually got there until God struck him back to the ground. like he crashed landed back to earth lolverse 12 says "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground."Basically God is saying, ""what made you land back on the ground in defeat? You tried to exalt yourself above me! But it didn't work.""
Jeremiah said he saw the same thing that moses saw and he explains it in even more detail.
Jeremiah 4 23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
If he saw the earth without form or void then he must have seen it in the same time realm that Moses did. Because that was "in the beginning."
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. 25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. 26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Now he is saying he saw the earth with no man no fruit and the cities he did see were broken down by his fierce anger. Now this was before Adam. He saw this the same time Moses did. You have to put all those birds and cities back before Genesis 1 and 2. So there is proof according to the bible that there were cities before the generation of Adam. Which would mean that the earth was inhabited before Adam as well.
2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
Well now look here. THE WORLD THAT THEN WAS. was flooded and perished.
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.So now the earth since the six days of restoration are kept in store until the day of judgment.
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness
So Peter has pictures 3 worlds. The world that then was, the world that now is and the new world God has promised after his coming.If the world that then was is the same as the world that now is, then there wasn't' any such thing as the world that then was. There was only the world that now is. (yeah I know)
We could get into much more detail with each verse but it would be a lot of typing.
Plus I would like to point out here that in Genesis 1 and 2 you learn a lot about God and him "knowing" everything. (debunking predestination. You might not agree with this at all.)When God brought the animals to Adam to SEE what he would call them. Well now, Why would God need to do that? Doesn't he already know? I don't think so. God basically is watching and learning about his own creation. There are so many verse in the bible that shows that God sees, (just like he "saw" that it was good in the creation days) discovers and finds out about human affairs, just like this verse. Here are some more. Genesis: 6:5-6; 11:5; 18:21; 22:12; 29;31; Exodus 3:4. There are a lot more as well. Oh and Jonah 3:10
Back to where did the darkness come from?
Is. 45:7 says God created Evil and Darkness. So I mean that's pretty plain. Okay, okay, lets look into this more deeply now. The Hebrew word for create is bara and here it means to bring about; bring into existence. The Hebrew word for evil is ra It is never rendered sin, but evil. Calamity (Psalm 141:5) adversity (1 Sam 10:19; Psalm 94:13; Eccl. 7:14; Grief (Neh 2:10); Sorrow (Gen 44:29); Trouble (Psalm 27:4;41:1; 107:26; 41:1) Distress (Neh 2:17) Bad (Gen 24:50) Affliction (Numbers 11:11) Misery (Eccl 8:6) Noisome (Ez 14:15,21) Hurt (Gen 26:29 and Wretchedness (Num 11:14)
The idea that God has made the law of sowing and reaping, and evil and bad results will come when men sin. God has decreed that misery, wretchedness, sorrow, trouble and distress will come as a result of sin (Galatians 6:7-8) ra is translated evil 430 times and never with the idea that sin is created by God. If men sin and reap for it, the responsibility for both is theirs. God simply made the law and penalties for breaking the law which will always be in force.
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