Skeptic posted this question on a website the other day, and I wanted to know how would you guys respond to this.

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No mention of Paul in Heaven... reckon he didn't make it?

While the modern day world may cry 'gender neutrality' the truth of the matter is in Biblical times they had their place. That certainly isn't a popular standard in our modern day society. Please understand I'm not opposed to the equality of women, but that is a man-made perspective... we have to take scripture as the God-breathed text it is.

All that said... Specifically we don't see where women are mentioned in Heaven. Jesus gives us some clear indication as to why that may be:

Matthew 22:29-30

Verse 29: Jesus replied, 'You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God." (pretty good segway to share with the skeptic... keep in mind skeptics aren't going to understand the things of the spirit)

Verse 30: For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven

These verses don't necessarily explain our entities when we get there, however, it He does indicate that BOTH a man and a woman who are given in marriage, in the resurrection, are as the angels of God. This clarifies that both man AND women are in the resurrection and will be as angels of God in heaven.

What the skeptic seems to be eluding to is that the there will be no women saved nor are they able to enter Heaven(?)... perhaps he's looking for some type of moral premise against women that God has somehow left them behind or leaves them behind and only man can inherit the Kingdom of God... To a Christian, even if this were true and this was God's will, it would be just, righteous and holy, and therefore no man has any moral ground to stand on and proclaim anything contrary to God's righteousness. That said, scripture is clear... 'He's not willing that any should perish but that all would come to repentance'... no mention of gender in that portion of scripture and its clear Jesus is speaking of both the husband and wife will enter Heaven, but not as they are here on earth.

This is just a skeptics misunderstanding of several things... The character of God, the doctrine of salvation and a misunderstanding of scripture as a whole. There again, very rarely are skeptics looking for truth, rather looking for contradictions and loopholes they can exploit in scripture.

This is just another one of those times. I would tell the skeptic that is a great topic for a Bible study, and is why Christians do Bible study together to discover God's truth, but he's not looking for that truth, so if you continue with him, its best to exploit the absurdity of HIS Worldview as he is trying to do the same for the Christian... Ask him why, within his worldview, it would be wrong if God only allowed men to enter Heaven. What makes it wrong? Is it his arbitrary opinion, or is there some standard he is appealing to that gives him a justification for right and wrong? What is that standard in an arbitrary atheistic worldview? There can't be an absolute standard in that type of worldview. Can't get absolute certainty without God... because He IS the absolute certain standard. Christians can claim such moral certainty... no other worldview can boast such a claim.

jesus said, the bible says, there is no sexual identity in heaven.

sexual identity is for earth. for people to make profound mates and reproduction and the rest of biology reproduction.

nobody needs to be reproduced in heaven.

God creates souls in his image. he is not male or female and so neuther are we at the soul level.

Our soul being male/female is entirely a material thing.

In fact dysfunctions like gay, transgender etc show the breakdown in the biology affects sexual identity.

Matthew 22

:24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
:25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:
:26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.
:27 And last of all the woman died also.
:28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
:33 And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine.

Luke 20

:32 Last of all the woman died also.
:33 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven had her to wife.
:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
:37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
:38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

John 8

:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

If a man and his wife becomes one flesh and the man madeit to heaven, wouldn't the woman be there also?

Mark 10

:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
:7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
:8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
:9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

All the encounters Jesus had on earth with the women, illustrates whether they where saved or not. It's not as though you only enter God's Kingdom when you actually get there, you enter it while you are still alive on earth.

This line of sceptical argument is like saying where in the bible does it say your name?

Juan--

If fallen angels could mate with women on the earth?  Are fallen angels created beings, or if thy can produce offspring, one might assume that angels in some other realm had a counter part or why would they at all be attracted to earthy women, and they certainly must have had organs for sexual reproduction.??? 

So I can't assume female which is part of God's design, did not exist elsewhere... 



Lou Hamby said:

Juan--

If fallen angels could mate with women on the earth?  Are fallen angels created beings, or if thy can produce offspring, one might assume that angels in some other realm had a counter part or why would they at all be attracted to earthy women, and they certainly must have had organs for sexual reproduction.??? 

So I can't assume female which is part of God's design, did not exist elsewhere...

Fallen angels never mated with people. Thats a weird error from the old days failure to understand genesis.

Women, and the male, are entirely a biologicval creation of the universe. they never existed in heaven and never will. wE were created for eternity on earth. not heaven. thats just a holding area right now. WE are to be resurrected in a new heaven and new earth.

women were created for men, as wives, and uniquely the only type that was taken out of another type. nOt from the dust like the rest of biology.

women are just "men' created differently to help their husbands destiny on a eternal earth.

women were not meant to have accomplishment like men or ambition to do so.

its unnatural and illegal in gods universe.

Their place is secondary too their husbands. tHe bible is clear.

The fall change things however. 

Not arguing with you Juan , but where did the nephilim come from?  

I think that we would all agree that the "Faith Hall of Fame" in Hebrews 11 mentions those who had saving faith in God (prior to the Incarnation). That being the case, there are at least four women named there.

Sarah (v. 11), Rahab (v. 31) Women (v. 35), referring to the widow of Zarephath (1 Kings 17:22-23) and a woman from Shunem (2 Kings 4:32-37).

And as verses 39-40 state: And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise, God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us.

I think we can confidently affirm that this passage teaches that these women will be in heaven.



Troy Lacey said:

I think that we would all agree that the "Faith Hall of Fame" in Hebrews 11 mentions those who had saving faith in God (prior to the Incarnation). That being the case, there are at least four women named there.

Sarah (v. 11), Rahab (v. 31) Women (v. 35), referring to the widow of Zarephath (1 Kings 17:22-23) and a woman from Shunem (2 Kings 4:32-37).

And as verses 39-40 state: And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise, God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us.

I think we can confidently affirm that this passage teaches that these women will be in heaven.

This is a historic example of a irrelevant point in a thread on a relevant point or secondary relevant points.

Sorry dude but your reply was worthless to this discussion. These four women would agree. 

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