What is conceded when the church compromises on Darwinian evolution?
I've been actively involved in the "creation/evolution" discussion for over 35 years. I have three degrees, two of which are in fields of science. I've done some writing in support of the young earth creation side, but I've also done a lot of reading about this issue. I've tried to find reliable information about both sides, reading books and articles written by creation scientists, as well as by evolutionary scientists. However, except for pastors like D. James Kennedy and Adrian Rogers, Bible teachers have tended to avoid taking a firm stand about origins or the idea of a worldwide flood or the age of the earth. I've known some excellent Bible teachers and scholars who absolutely defend the idea that God created the heavens and the earth and the Bible account of the Flood. However, a good many of them don't challenge the scientific position that all living things evolved from some kind of one-celled organism or that the earth is millions and millions of years old. Furthermore, some tend to have accepted a compromise position that Genesis and Darwinian evolution are not in conflict, with a few pastors actually celebrating Darwin Sunday. Recently, some well known and very credible theologians, including Dr. John McAuthor and Dr. Albert Mohler, have raised issues about what the church and the gospel is conceding in this kind of compromise. I, for one, am delighted that this issue is being raised. I'm wondering if any of the other members of this group have an opinion. If you're not familiar with the issues being raised, search for creation or evolution at albertmohler.com. The following link is more comprehensive:
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Permalink Reply by Don Smith on -
The word
The word of God is conceded, because Darwinian evolution claims a different origin to the testimony given by the Bible. The Bible says "...God said" (KJV) 10 times in chapter one of Genesis.
When Adam and Eve sinned the their first encounter with God was fear. It says: ...And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden... (Gen 3:8)
Satan's first words are "... And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" (Gen 3:1) Emphasis mine. I believe the issue about trusting the word of God is one of the many major themes that run throughout the rest of the books of the Bible from the book of Genesis to the book of Revelation. This is why one of the names given to God is "The Word" (John 1:1-3).
It does interest me what makes someone thinks evidence really supports the Darwinian explanation for the existence of life. Why they think they need to compromise with it. Most of the arguments stems from what has not actually been observed and rather relying on a forensic approach, or will appeal to the future that one day we will have the answer. The Bible appeals to our faith and so does the Darwinian model. So It seems to me that one faith is conceded for another one.
I think the vastness of the subject matter is the main problem. How do you know you've covered all your arguments? Will something come along later to make you change your mind? At best we seem to fall into a scenario where you appear to win the argument, but how do you know when its won? We are such finite beings. That's why Isaiah wrote:
...And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth. In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats; To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth. Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of? (Isa 2:19-22). Emphasis mine.
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Permalink Reply by Carolyn Reeves on -
Don Smith said:
Don, Here's part of the problem. There is ample evidence that living things change over time. Changes such as color, size, shape, amount of hair, even number of appendaages have been observed in populatons of living things as well as in fossils. Darwinian evolutionists (the ones who believe that all living things came from the same one-celled organism) use these kind of changes as evidence that major changes occurred over long periods of time. Evidence for major changes (like cold-blooded animals becoming warm-blooded) are speculative and filled with lots of "It could have been" statements. You're certainly right in saying, "Most of the arguments stems from what has not actually been observed."The word
The word of God is conceded, because Darwinian evolution claims a different origin to the testimony given by the Bible. The Bible says "...God said" (KJV) 10 times in chapter one of Genesis.
When Adam and Eve sinned the their first encounter with God was fear. It says: ...And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden... (Gen 3:8)
Satan's first words are "... And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" (Gen 3:1). I believe the issue about trusting the word of God is one of the many major themes that run throughout the rest of the books of the Bible from the book of Genesis to the book of Revelation. This is why one of the names given to God is "The Word" (John 1:1-3).
It does interest me what makes someone thinks evidence really supports the Darwinian explanation for the existence of life. Why they think they need to compromise with it. Most of the arguments stems from what has not actually been observed and rather relying on a forensic approach, or will appeal to the future that one day we will have the answer. The Bible appeals to our faith and so does the Darwinian model. So It seems to me that one faith is conceded for another one.
I think the vastness of the subject matter is the main problem. How do you know you've covered all your arguments? Will something come along later to make you change your mind? At best we seem to fall into a scenario where you appear to win the argument, but how do you know when its won? We are such finite beings. That's why Isaiah wrote:
...And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth. In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats; To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth. Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of? (Isa 2:19-22). Emphasis mine.
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