Clergy for Biblical Creation

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Comment by Rev Tony Breeden on December 19, 2011 at 11:58am

Kelli,

 

Thank you for your comments and welcome to the group. As the father of 4 "boy-sterous" boys, all of whom are special needs, I salute you on the fine and worthy enterprise of training up Godly men of integrity.

 

Regards,

revTony, founder http://DefGen.org 

Comment by kelli - AdventurezInChildRearing on December 14, 2011 at 7:26pm

Thank you for hosting this group - I look forward to getting to know you all better. I  am a pastor, but work with the youth and children at church. I also have served in several women's groups over the years. I'm a homeschool mama raising three fine young men. If they turn out to be half the men their daddy is - we'll be doing just fine! Nice to meet y'all- from Southwest Florida on the Gulf Coast- Kelli  www.AdventurezinChildRearing.com   

Comment by Tommy Lohman on December 12, 2011 at 10:00am

Tony,

Thank you for your encouraging words and I will join you in praying.  May God continue to raise up those who cry out from the wilderness.

Grace be with you,

Tommy

Comment by Rev Tony Breeden on December 10, 2011 at 6:39pm

My heart is burdened more than ever for the plight off my fellow clergy who suppose that by lowering their shields they will gain more souls rather than gaining more injury from the fiery darts of our Opponent. Worse, they seem blind to the injury they invite upon others by likewise inviting them to lower their standard of faith! I have not had the opportunity I had hoped to invest in this group, but on reading the comments that have been left during my absence, I am encouraged by the conviction to fight evidenced. Pray for our fellow clergy as we serve others in this blessed Christmas season. I was reading from Luke today during devotions on the birth of John the Baptist. As I read to my kids, I was impressed with the idea that we are called to be modern-day John the Baptists, to prepare the way of the Lord to a backward and unbelieving generation, to preach salvation and the forgiveness of sins and to bring light to the darkness of this age. I cannot help but believe that God is and has prepared such ministers for such a time as this, just as he prepared Spurgeon for the Down-grade of his day. God bless as you share the Light of Christ to a lost and dying world this Christmas... and let us be ever more ready to enjoin the battle in the new year!

Comment by Carolyn Reeves on July 21, 2011 at 9:57am

National and state boads/science groups periodically establish curriculum frameworks as guides for the core concepts and ideas that schools should teach. I recently read a copy of the "earth and space" section of the newest K-12 science framework written by the National Research Council. Most of the core concepts about "space" were key evolutionary ideas about where the universe came from and how it evolved over billions of years.  These frameworks are used by publishing companies as guides for writing science textbooks.  Even though I found this discouraging, I recalled 2 reasons to be encouraged about what is happening. (1) A few states are starting to allow (and encourage) schools to "analyze and critique"  controversial items such as evolution as part of their curriculum, so that evolution is not taught as a no-debate topic.  (2) Dr. Albert Mohler, Jr. (president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky) has taken an uncompromising stand for a young earth.  Hopefully there are other leaders who will do the same.  You can hear his sermon on the age of the earth at http://www.christianity.com/ligonier//?speaker=mohler2  

Comment by Tommy Lohman on July 20, 2011 at 9:55pm

The modern creation movement is continuing to push upstream against the bad science we have all been taught that has laid the foundation for compromise of God's Word and ignorance about what a God fearing scientists can really show us without compromising.  But I fear there is more damage being done then compromising Genesis because of poor science, it is a desecration of the gospel of Jesus Christ at its foundation.  As Paul did in Acts 17, we must recognize that the grand reason for starting with the creation is not just to get the science of creation right, but to lead the person to the cross of Christ.  This is the real damage seminaries are doing to pastors, they are undermining the foundation of the message they are instructing them to preach.  It is so counter-intuitive, we don't defend Genesis just to get the science or history right (which we should do), we defend the cross.  Forgive me for preaching to the choir, but Jesus Christ died on the cross as a propititaion to satisfy the demands God placed upon the wrath of wicked humanity.  This destruction was birthed by Adam and we are all guilty, in him. 

Yes, I will join you all in praying and working to equip pastors to stand upon the full gospel of Christ by starting with a literal history of the beginning of the world.

Blessings,

Tommy

Comment by Bob Knopf/Creation Science Netwk on July 19, 2011 at 5:00pm

Hi All,

When pastors contact us (CSN) to give creation and other seminars, we are no longer surprised when they give us a list of things they don't want discussed because they deem them "too divisive." One such topic is the 24-hour creation day; another is the worldwide flood; another is the various beliefs about what happened between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 (nothing). Only rarely do we receive an opportunity to speak at these churches, and as Rev Tony mentioned, every year we have pastors graduating from theological seminary who are not steeped in the perfectness of God's Word, and who may believe "Theistic" Evolution. They are now pastors at churches all around us. Oftentimes, creationists talk only on the "science" of creation, and not enough on God's Word. Fortunately, I attend a church that believes in the perfect, plenery Word of God, and am able to teach God's Word as it was given to us.

Comment by Carolyn Reeves on July 19, 2011 at 9:45am

I live in a college town where a large numberof college students attend our church. I truly believe our staff accepts the Bible as God's inspired infallible Word, but they sometimes seem to be trying to avoid a conflict with what these students are learning in school and what the Bible teaches.  I was recently invited to teach a session designed to help students better understand how science works. I wanted them to understand that factual scientific evidences (observations, measuremenets, data) have to be explained and interpreted, and that these explanations are tentative.  Normal science does not cut off debate about how research is conducted  or about the conclusions that are reached.  I gave an example of how radioactive dating is not always accurate.  After my comments, I left time for student questions. One of the students seemed a little indignant about my doubts concerning radiometric dating and challenged me on a coupe of points.  I gave him calm reasoned answers to his objections, but the church staff director intervened, made some further general comments, and brought the session to a close.  I was told later that the students was a dedicated Christian who was very active in missions and other Christian activites on campus.  I can't quite tell  how our staff feels about the infallibility of the  Genesis accounts of creation and the flood.   I don't know if it would cause a division in the  church if topics such as flood geology or the age of the earth were taught in an uncompromising manner by the pastor. How do those of you who believe in such things as worldwide effects of a Genesis flood  and a young earth handle this?              

Comment by Rev Tony Breeden on July 19, 2011 at 7:22am

Recently, I reviewed the book Already Compromised by Ken Ham and pastor Greg Hall.

 

This book has but one flaw: It does not spell out what this means for clergy. Make no mistake, and I say this as a member of clergy, the biggest issue here is that these compromising theology/Bible departments are training our ministers, missionaries, etc. These clergy then come to your church, my church, the church around the corner, and begin to tell their congregations and Sunday School teachers that you can believe the Bible and millions of years of microbes-to-man evolution. This leads to the predicament discussed in Already Gone of kids doubting the authority of God’s Word and abandoning the Church. Those who survive go on to attend Christian Colleges, many of which compromise where it concerns origins and, therefore Biblical authority as well. If their fate is anywhere similar to students who attend public universities, 52% of them will no longer identify themselves as born-again Christians after four years; those that do will not have attended a church service in over a year! Some of those who remain will be taught that they can accept extraBiblical views of origins, and among those will be future clergy, Sunday School teachers and missionaries… ready to propogate the ever-widening circle of apostasty and compromise.

Comment by Carolyn Reeves on July 5, 2011 at 7:16pm

I'm not sure what kind of nitch I could occupy with this group, but as an introduction, I have a deep desire to help pastors understand the science of the "opposition" to Genesis.  I envision eventually writing a book called "A Pastor's Guide to the Genesis Flood."  I've spent time researching how mainstream scientists shifted away during the "Enlightenment"  from accepting a catastrophic view of geology that could easily agree with Genesis.  As a retired science teacher, I'm also familiar with ways to correct the many misconceptions people have about what science is and how science works. Looking forward to joining your conversations.