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Creation Physicists

Those of us who are young earth creationists and study physics, as a hobby, in school, or as a career.

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Lifting heavy objects easier: The scale balance of the past.

if there is for example a 100 pound weight on the floor with handles to lift, you don't have to lift the weight all by yourself, you could create a scale balance and put 10, 10 pound weights on the…Continue

Tags: strength, pully, lift, hoist, antiquities

Started by TrustJesus Sep 20, 2014.

Colder than absolute Zero 1 Reply

Saw this awhile back, must not be too big news, we all didn't get teleported or imploded.  :-)We're still are sustained by God's power:Colossians 1:16-18 KJV16    For by him were all things created,…Continue

Started by TrustJesus. Last reply by Mathew Wirsich Apr 5, 2013.

Sun's Rays Bouncing off objects vs. Global Warming 3 Replies

When the sun's rays strike the earth, we get light and heat.  But the sun's rays don't disappear magically after that.  They bounce off of and go back into space.  There is an enormous amount of…Continue

Started by Denise J. Sipe. Last reply by Mathew Wirsich Mar 10, 2012.

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Comment by Allen J Dunckley on May 1, 2013 at 8:26am

Thank you Ailsa, for your evaluation and input.  It is greatly appreciated.

Comment by Alexander Martin on April 29, 2013 at 10:24am

That's great information Ailsa. Thanks for that!

Comment by Ailsa on April 29, 2013 at 10:05am

The paper Allen has shown us is about the isochron method. The problem with conventional dating methods, where one simply takes the amount of parent isotope and daughter isotope is that one has to make assumptions about the amount of daughter isotope present at the beginning. If a large amount of daughter was present to start with, then if you have assumed that no daughter was initially present, the age you calculate will be completely wrong.

The isochron method seeks to get round this problem. You can see a brief explanation of it here.  For a longer primer on dating methods (likewise, from an Old Earth point of view, which assumes that the methods can be trusted), see here. Look out for the implicit assumptions...

The idea is that if you take a number if mineral samples from the same rock, which are assumed to be of the same age, and plot (for all the samples)

amount  of daughter isotope present / amount of a stable isotope of the daughter

vs

amount  of parent isotope present / amount of a stable isotope of the daughter

a straight line should be seen. The normalisation of both the daughter and parent isotopes to a third stable isotope should make the technique reliable. The use of the ratio to stable isotope also makes the quantities to plot easier to measure accurately. The slope of this straight line can then be used to calculate the age of the rock.

A helpful animation of how this should work ideally can be seen here.

However, all of this is based on further assumptions. It is assumed that if the plot produced from all the samples is a straight line, then all is well, and the answer provided is reliable. Significant non-linearity in the graph is taken as an indication of contamination, i.e. that daughter or parent have leached in or out of the system, via, for example, fluids or gases.

However, there are various criticisms of the method, for example, here (gets a bit technical, but suggests that some of the nice straight lines are actually a result of mixing), here (less technical) and here from the Creationist point of view. More interesting are those published in secular journals, such as are listed in Snelling's article.

Hope that gets you started! You can also look on the RATE page at ICR for a detailed study of problems with radioactive dating methods.

Comment by Allen J Dunckley on April 24, 2013 at 1:32pm

Ok Folks, with some fancy computer gymnastics I think I can provide the article:

Comment by Allen J Dunckley on April 24, 2013 at 1:15pm

Sorry, Folks, but I tried to correct the link.  But found that the individual must have removed it.  As I cannot find it nor any reference to it on the Face Book forums.   Fortunately I saved a pdf copy on my computer. But for some reason this forum will not allow it to be uploaded.

Comment by Ailsa on April 24, 2013 at 11:03am

Could you try to get the correct link? I couldn't open it either.

Comment by Alexander Martin on April 24, 2013 at 9:34am

Hey Allen! The link you posted could not be opened. I'll email you what I have on radiometric dating but it doesn't deal with it from a mathematical point of view.

Comment by Allen J Dunckley on April 24, 2013 at 8:58am

Help! :)

I am/was in a debate with an evolutionist and he said that the creationists have no clue about radiometric dating and then told me I need to read his article on it.  The article has a lot of math.  So I post it here for analysis for any one to show any weaknesses to it.  

The link is here to the complete 2 page article:

https://attachment.fbsbx.com/file_download.php?id=643173159041683&a...

Comment by Mathew Wirsich on March 10, 2012 at 12:25pm

Here my pics of UV light bulls eyes pattern in near UV 420 nm raywith a NIKON UV 4,5 105mm UV lens , UV light filter (subtraction ! ) , Fuji160Tungsten Colorslidefilm.

Yours MatthiasPDF%20%20UV%20Saftmahle%20Gegen%C3%BCberstellung%20UV%20VIS%20Spekt...

Comment by Mathew Wirsich on March 10, 2012 at 12:21pm

I talked to a scientist of Extraterestrial ray institute in Kiel Germany . I was wondering about cosmic ray or cosmic particles ( whats the difference ? ) on Apollo 12 astronauts helmets , whcih I saw in a newspaper article when I was 12 . This problem is not yet solved ! The particles or rays went through the metall of the Apollo capsule. 

In 2005 I made some UV light bulls eyes pattern research about sensoric of insects. I lend a NIKON UV 10 000 Dollar lens from German space agency. I was very excited about my results with color slide film ( see pics ).

Many atheistic people say : "I only believe , what I see ( with my human eyes) !" This is stupid ! A human can only see a part of light spectrum.

Have you ever heart about a extiction shift theory ( of cosmic light ) by creationist and scientist Dr Dowdy from USA. ? He is a genius.

Yours MSEM%20Cosmic%20particles%20impact%20on%20Apollo%2012%20astronaut%20...SEM%20Cosmic%20particles%20impact%20on%20Apollo%2012%20astronaut%20...atthias from Germany

 

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