Presuppositional Apologetics

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Presuppositional Apologetics

For those who study and practice presuppositional apologetics, or for those interested in learning more about it.

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Cornelius Van Til was a 20th century Christian apologist who drew this diagram while teaching classes in seminary. Below is an explanation of this diagram by one of his students.

“Van Til . . . always taught that a Christian worldview should be represented by two circles (for Creator and creature), clearly distinct from one another, with the larger one (representing God) on top. One circle alone referred to the non-Christian worldview, in which man and God (if he exists) are on the same level, part of one reality.” John Frame, Cornelius Van Til: An Analysis of His Thought, (Phillipsburg, NJ: Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing, 1995), p. 27.

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help understanding presuppositional apologetics

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Started by Edazzel May 5, 2014.

First presuppositions 5 Replies

Hello there everyone,As a presuppositionalist, I am looking for a bit of help from other presuppositionalists. I have an agnostic friend whom I often debate with over the truth of Christianity. In…Continue

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Started by David Scruggs. Last reply by David Scruggs Jan 13, 2014.

Presuppositionalist Rational Arguments 2 Replies

What are some popular arguments that presuppositionalists hold? I'm just being introduced to this belief and am curious to know more about it. It's definitely intelligent, to say the least.Continue

Started by Matthew Villarreal. Last reply by Tony J. Bowe Dec 30, 2012.

How did you first learn about presuppositional apologetics? 26 Replies

How did you first learn about presuppositional apologetics?  I first learned about it in college when a friend loaned me a tape set by Greg Bahnsen.  I was blown away!  To learn about how if you…Continue

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Started by Dustin Crider. Last reply by Robert Driskell Apr 23, 2012.

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Comment by Robert Driskell on January 29, 2019 at 12:01pm

Thank you for that information, Gary. Good point about the Bible being 'presuppositional'.  I appreciate your post. 

Yours in Christ,

Robert

Comment by Gary Murray on January 29, 2019 at 11:40am

I'm by no means an expert, but historically speaking, the presuppositional 'teaching' as it were, has been most notably comprised and expounded by Calvinistic leaning Christians. Considering some believe Van Til to be one of the foremost advocates of Presup apologetics, followed by men such as Bahnsen and Clark in the 1900's

I don't say these were necessarily the 'Fathers' but certainly men who made the apologetic public and moreover popular among their 'denominations' (i use that word carefully). Most of these men were of the Presbytery or theological seminaries influenced by reformers such as Calvin and Luther.

That said, over the last decade the presuppositional approach has found its way in to most all modern day 'denominations', in which I am grateful, after all, the Bible itself is written from the presuppositional perspective in Genesis 1:1 when it says 'In the beginning God created'... Scripture presupposed God. :) 

Comment by Robert Driskell on January 29, 2019 at 7:46am

Hi Alexander,

I'm not sure how, or if, there would be much difference in the apologetics of a Calvinist as opposed to a Wesleyan, etc.  The reason I posed my question was that I was reading a book, can't remember which one, that said that MOST presuppositionalists are of Calvinists leanings.  It got me wondering why this was and if there are any presuppositionalists who are of a Wesleyan bent.  I believe that either can, and possibly should, hold to a presuppositional view ('Biblical view' may be a better term). Thanks for your response, by the way.  These groups are an incredible resource.

Yours in Christ,

Robert

Comment by Alexander Martin on January 28, 2019 at 7:25pm
Now, if I had been a United Penticostal, I could understand the difference. They believe only in the Oneness of God and reject a Trinitarian view. In fact, I wonder myself which presupposition is the stronger. I know that a book the Calvinists have written refuting the religions of Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism make the argument against the view of the oneness of God in Islam. Yet their argument seemed axiomatic rather than rationally justified. I read a presuppositional argument against a unitarian God in this book: https://www.amazon.com/One-Way-God-Presuppositional-Apologetics/dp/...
Comment by Alexander Martin on January 28, 2019 at 6:23pm
@Robert Driskell Out of curiosity, let's say Dr. Sarfati is a Baptist rather than either a Calvinist or Wesleyan. How do you see this mindset impacting their presuppositions in apologetics? I've read the basics from the Calvinust perspective and didn't see any conflict with the Pentecostalism of my own denomination, which happens to have branched off the Wesleyan tradition.
Comment by Robert Driskell on January 28, 2019 at 3:27pm

Thank you, Alexander.  I appreciate your response.  I have read several books by Dr. Sarfati and like them very much. Yours in Christ,

Robert

Comment by Alexander Martin on January 15, 2019 at 2:59pm

Well, I don't know what his denomination is but Dr. Johathan D. Sarfati, a creation scientist, is a good one. You can check out some of his work here: https://creation.com/presuppositionalism-vs-evidentialism-and-is-th...

And here: https://creation.com/correcting-a-severe-misconception-about-the-cr...

Comment by Robert Driskell on January 15, 2019 at 2:22pm

Wondering if anyone knows of prominent theologians who are (1) presuppositional in their apologetics, (2) young earth creationists, and (3) more Wesleyan/Arminian than Calvinist in their theological viewpoint.  Thanks for your help.

Yours in Christ,

Robert

Comment by General Nate on February 24, 2013 at 4:15pm
So,what does this group mostly discuss? And what exactly are presuppositional apologetics?
Comment by Alexander Martin on May 7, 2012 at 7:15am

When I was introduced to presuppositional appologetics it was in the context of reconstruction theology. In that context they were very much postmillennialists. Most of the presuppositionalists I'm familiar with are Calvinists and many Calvinists are amillennialists. I really like many aspects of postmillennialism primarily because it indicates that Christ will not return until His Church completes the Great Commission. I believe this includes advancing the cause of Creationism as a way to prepare the ground for good seed that will bring a great harvest. The completion of the Great Commission is the condition Christ has been waiting to return for.

 

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