Presuppositional Apologetics


Presuppositional Apologetics

For those who study and practice presuppositional apologetics, or for those interested in learning more about it.

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Cornelius Van Til was a 20th century Christian apologist who drew this diagram while teaching classes in seminary. Below is an explanation of this diagram by one of his students.

“Van Til . . . always taught that a Christian worldview should be represented by two circles (for Creator and creature), clearly distinct from one another, with the larger one (representing God) on top. One circle alone referred to the non-Christian worldview, in which man and God (if he exists) are on the same level, part of one reality.” John Frame, Cornelius Van Til: An Analysis of His Thought, (Phillipsburg, NJ: Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing, 1995), p. 27.

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help understanding presuppositional apologetics

is therre anyone here who can help me understand this arugment better?Continue

Started by Edazzel May 5, 2014.

First presuppositions 5 Replies

Hello there everyone,As a presuppositionalist, I am looking for a bit of help from other presuppositionalists. I have an agnostic friend whom I often debate with over the truth of Christianity. In…Continue

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Started by David Scruggs. Last reply by David Scruggs Jan 13, 2014.

Presuppositionalist Rational Arguments 2 Replies

What are some popular arguments that presuppositionalists hold? I'm just being introduced to this belief and am curious to know more about it. It's definitely intelligent, to say the least.Continue

Started by Matthew Villarreal. Last reply by Tony J. Bowe Dec 30, 2012.

How did you first learn about presuppositional apologetics? 26 Replies

How did you first learn about presuppositional apologetics?  I first learned about it in college when a friend loaned me a tape set by Greg Bahnsen.  I was blown away!  To learn about how if you…Continue

Tags: apologetics, presuppositional

Started by Dustin Crider. Last reply by Robert Driskell Apr 23, 2012.

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Comment by J M on May 3, 2012 at 10:03pm

Michael Butler is a student/follower of Bahnsen. Gordon Clark had a slightly different approach than Van Til (I'm not very familiar with it), which is usually thought of as another branch of presuppositionalism. You should be able to find out more if you look them up online.

Comment by Robert Driskell on May 3, 2012 at 8:16pm

Thank you all for your responses.  I will check out those websites Shane.

Justin, you mention "Butler and Clark" in your response. Might I ask to whom you are referring? I appreciate all the help in this.

Yours in Christ,


Comment by J M on May 3, 2012 at 8:13pm

Bahnsen is Young-earth. Van Til was undecided. I have never heard John Frame address the issue. I looked for Butler and Clark's views too, but couldn't find anything. Anyway, a person's views on apologetic method are mostly independent of one's views of the age of the earth. 

Comment by Tony J. Bowe on May 3, 2012 at 3:57pm
I was just reading the other day that there's a quote by Van Til on the Reformed theology website saying something about advocating a literal six day creation but found the age of the earth to be less important, interestingly. Van Til figured 6,000, 10,000, 100k, whatever essentially was not as important as the days of Creation. If I can find the link ill post withered. Bahnsen is young earth Creationist, far as I can tell anyway. I love the whole model though! And young earth position does seem to b mostconsistent position to hold! :)

Comment by Shane Cessna on May 3, 2012 at 3:38pm

A couple great presuppositional sites are and

I believe that most presuppositionalists would be young earthers.

Comment by Robert Driskell on May 3, 2012 at 12:49pm

Hi Folks,

I was just wondering if anyone knew how the main Presuppositional guys (or gals) viewed creation.  Were/are they "young earth", "old earth" or something in between?  Thinking mainly about Van Til, Bahnsen, Frame.

Did they hold to a certain endtimes scenario?

I'm reasonably new to the subject of presuppositionalism (is that a word?), and am very excited to learn more about it.

Also, who are some more Presuppostional apologists?

Thanks in advance.

Yours in Christ,


Comment by Bill Foster on March 7, 2012 at 8:59am

Thanks very much for the encouragement. The book was literally supposed to be arriving to the warehouse yesterday, so it should be available very shortly. Thanks again and looking forward to your feedback.

Comment by Tony J. Bowe on March 6, 2012 at 6:41pm

Bill - just checked out your web site promoting "MEET THE SKEPTIC". This looks very encouraging and promising! I am very much looking forward to reading it! I checked out the Amazon product page, but says it is still out of stock. I will be checking in for it to become available and look forward to purchasing and reviewing it! I am a huge fan of presuppositional apologetics (particularly that promoted by Dr. Van Til and Greg Bahnsen)! God bless you and your ministry!


In Christ,


Comment by Bill Foster on March 6, 2012 at 5:30pm

I've enjoyed reading the comments on this topic. If anyone is interested in a new approach to presuppositional apologetics on a popular level, take a look at my book (it releases today from New Leaf) & ministry MEET THE SKEPTIC: A Field Guide to Faith Conversations (

I call presuppositions "Root Ideas" and break down skepticism into 4 categories based on those Root Ideas to help direct conversations with skeptics. I actually didn't know I was doing presuppositional apologetics until it was pointed out to me that my system/model was presuppositional. After much frustration using evidential apologetics, it just seemed reasonable to dig up the root of the skeptics thinking first instead of pulling at the superficial weeds that lie on the surface.

Would appreciate any feedback you guys have about this approach.

Comment by Dustin Crider on January 25, 2012 at 10:08pm

My review of Answers Book for Teens.

Read the review here.


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