Archived - Ask the Expert: Bodie Hodge

Bodie Hodge attended Southern Illinois University at Carbondale and received a B.S. and M.S. in mechanical engineering. His specialty was a subset of mechanical engineering based in advanced materials processing, particularly starting powders. Currently, Bodie is a speaker, writer, and researcher for Answers in Genesis–USA. He is the author of The Fall of Satan and co-author of Dragons: Legends && Lore of Dinosaurs and The Flood of Noah: Legends && Lore of Survival.

Below are the questions and answers submitted while Bodie Hodge was the featured expert on CreationConversations.com

Comment by Lou Hamby on July 7, 2014 at 5:23pm

Dear Bodie,

Do you think that Noah and his family and pre-flood civilizations were possibly H*** erectus?  We believe they were all humans but a different variation just like the Basks and some South American tribes with different DNA etc.  The Chinese and also Slovakian skeletons seem to be found in ice age layers post Babel as well as in other Asian Islands but these are the most commonly found skeletal remains.  Your thoughts? 

Comment by Robert Byers on July 9, 2014 at 8:33pm

Mr Hodge. Thanks for giving this YEC forum some time. I am a YEC Canadian.

I haven't read your dragons book but many articles on this subject come up on the YEC press. perhaps influenced by you or written etc.

I question that the dragon stories are about dinos. historically people said dragons were a memory of Satan and his serpent form etc.

I don't think people were around dinos after the flood as it was to be a clean dominance, Ark 7:1 pairs, and the dinos showed a likely unclean dominance before the flood.

The important thing however is HOW many different and hugh creatures did live after the flood but now only known in fossil form, gone extinct, in stratas above the k-t line. i see as the flood line.

there were so many types that its unlikely people would see or remember dino types but not these.

The one in Job likely was a mammal type and not a dino.

The fauna in a post flood world was just as strange in creature types as the previous dino world.

Are you awrae of the fossil record of creatures above the k-t line? Even if they are creatures , to you, killed by the flood it still would be so many other options for strange big creatures without the unlikelyness of surviving dinos.

anyways lord bless your sales and efforts.

Comment by Dr. Derek P. Blake on July 12, 2014 at 5:10am

Welcome to the CC forum Bodie, nice to have a fellow engineer on board, so I expect great things and some nuts-n-bolts views.

Here in the UK we have many links to dragons, our patron saint is St. George the Dragon Killer, and there are many place names with associations to dragons or giant 'worms'.  Hills that are supposedly responsible for forming certain hills by curling themselves around them, villages also bear names with associations.  If these are indeed the remnants of a human memory of dinosaurs, is this not evidence that dinosaurs and man existed at the same time?

Comment by Dr. Derek P. Blake yesterday

Does anyone have any idea when this 'Ask the Expert' will commence?

Comment by Lou Hamby yesterday

Haven't heard anything...:0)

Comment by Katie Gumm 19 hours ago

Hello there friends! So, we had our wires crossed on the scheduling of this "expert" time. Opps! Bodie will be hopping on here to reply to your questions very soon. Thanks for your patience!

Comment by Lou Hamby 19 hours ago

Thanks Katie!!!

Comment by Bodie Hodge 14 hours ago

Hi Lou – I’m not sure if H*** erectus was the body style of the pre-Flood peoples or even of Noah and his early family. There have been several found and in many parts of the world so they are definitely living as post-Flood peoples and died post-Babel. Was there a connection to Babel? I’m not entirely sure but I leave the option open. 

 

It wouldn’t surprise me if the erectus body and skull style has something to do with way people aged. People lived to great ages like 200-600 years after the Flood and Babel. Yet their aging was different from today as people at long ages like this were still capable of great things and exploits, yet at 80 years, we are pretty much exhausted by today’s standards.

 

So a short answer is that yes they are descendant of Noah, but as to how close, we simply can’t be certain.  I hope this helps. B 

Comment by Bodie Hodge 14 hours ago

 

PART 1

 

Re: “Dragon stories are about Dinos”; Actually, I agree but in a different sense.  Follow me here. Dinos are a specific subset of dragons, being land reptiles with a particular hip structure and a few other minor factors. So even crocodiles and huge snakes could be lumped into dragons, but not dinosaurs.    

 

Re: “historically people said dragons were a memory of Satan and his serpent form etc.”; I only found this in a few instances. Most dragon accounts were real creatures that were killing or being killed, but in some instances not vicious at all (e.g., were being bred and used to pull chariots). Many dragon legends also appear where little knowledge of Satan or the devil even existed.  So these thigns need to be kept in mind. 

 

There is some speculation there as to what you mean by clean dominance. Genesis 9:3 permitted all foods to be eaten – including dinosaurs after the Flood! Smile. People today have all sort of creatures in their care – I know a couple of gents who live with their snakes!

 

Re: How many huge creatures did live but now died after the Flood – Great question. But some thoughts to keep in mind when looking at this are: there are a lot of fossils for the Ceratopsian dinosaurs, but only two of that representative kind survived the Flood. Also, what is to say that God survived the largest of these kinds through the Flood, He may have brought representatives that were of the smaller version in many cases. But many did survive the Flood with excellent descriptions of their size after the Flood by historians.  Keep in mind the largest living creature is alive today – the Blue Whale. - B

Comment by Bodie Hodge 14 hours ago

 

Hi Robert Part 2

 

Re: The creature in Job 40 (I suspect this is what you are referring to – the Behemoth): Why do you think it was a mammal? What large mammals have a tail that moves like cedar and enjoys being in flooding river? Just curious to know why you think this way. 

 

Re: “Dino world” and Post-Flood world – Remember that there are not that many dinosaurs that have been found.  We often think, due to movies like Jurassic park and others that dinosaurs were everywhere and dominated the world, but this may not be the case. But what is likely the case is that due to the post-Flood weather, certain animals thrived where others didn’t. 

 

Regarding dino’s not surviving the Flood, recall what Genesis 6:20 says: "Of the birds after their kind, of animals after their kind, and of every creeping thing of the earth after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive.” Dinos were animals of the earth so two of each of those representative kinds came on the Ark, so they exited as well. The obvious answer is that they have been dying out for the same reasons everything else has – sin an dspecifica reasons are the same reason we have an endangered species list to keep many of these creature alive. Just imagine how many animals would have been extinct after this past century if we hadn’t enacted an endangered species list. 

 

God bless,

 

Bodie

 

Comment by Bodie Hodge 13 hours ago

Hi Dr. Blake – I heartily agree. I was just over in the UK a few months back and found some great dragon images still remaining in Guildhall in Leicester as well as Bath (Bath Cathedral for example). There is an immense amount of Dragon lore going back 1,000 years or so  in the UK – they even appear on the Bayeux Tapestry and the old Mercian Flag, Welsh Flag (obviously), Carlisle Cathedral (Bishop Bells’ tomb), and so on. 

 

The dragon of Leicester even appears at the opening of the museum of Leicester that was co-founded by Alfred Wallace (Darwin’s contemporary and co-equal with Darwin regarding Traditional Darwinism).  These things are excellent evidence confirming that these creatures did exist and lived post-Flood.  By the way, cultures from China, to Peru, to North America, to Africa, to the Middle East all have similar dragon accounts, legends, and glyphs. I noticed that as of the 1500s these accounts start to drop off and have fewer and fewer with scattered events in the 1800s. So their demise was surely being pushed to the brink of extinction in those days. Great question though. B   

Comment by Bodie Hodge 13 hours ago

One dragon at Guildhall in Leicester.  Enjoy. Bodie

Comment by Bodie Hodge 13 hours ago

God bless you all - PS Sorry for the confusion about "Ask the Expert".  Sadly these things happen from time to time but thanks for bearing with us. In Christ,

Bodie

Comment by Doug Lindauer 13 hours ago

Hi Bodie, don't know if you'd remember me but I see you quite often when I get to the Museum ... which seems to be quite often.  :)  I wonder if you're going to be at the CRS Conference next month?  I didn't see you on the list of presenters.

Comment by Bodie Hodge 13 hours ago
Hi Doug sorry I won't make it to the CRS meeting. I'm a member but I'll be in Florida when that it occurring. I hope you enjoy it. Bodie
Comment by Lou Hamby 13 hours ago

Bodie thank you for your response.  I believe evidence seems compelling that Erectus was pre-flood.  Dr. Snelling's work shows a bottleneck with the flood and H*** erectus at that point in history on down to H*** sapien around the time of Abraham and others (Neanderthal and Denvoians).  We also ahve H*** erectus in tow cities in China dated within 200 years after the flood.  These were post-flood because they are found in ice age loess in both places.  I don't have any evidence to tie them directly to Noah but then we can't tie modern sapien to Him either.  I just know in my own research the most prominent skeletal remains seem to be erectus if its ancient. The fact there are different variations is not surprising since we already are aware of different groups that have a different DNA signature as well, but they are all fully human.  Some of the newer discoveries in the Baltic countries are all erectus.   

Comment by Lou Hamby 13 hours ago

Dear Bodie,

I was wondering if you believe that all pre-flood civilizations wiped out by the flood have no evidence left behind. If I mention some discovery or known ancient site, I immediately get a response that this is post flood, not sure why because there seems to be cities in the narrative of Genesis that were pre-flood and those cities have been found including layers in Jerhico that are pre-flood deposits?  I don't understand why there is an automatic response when evidence seems to imply ancient pre-flood cultures have been found.  I am thinking of Golbili-tiki, Adams Calendar, Caral Supe, and others like Egypt....  I'm not sure we can assume that all cultures a post-flood. This has nothing to do with post flood dispersion unless you place these discoveries as post flood, then they do become hard to explain with respect to a time line?                       

Comment by Jeffrey Durham 13 hours ago

Hello Mr. Hodge!  Where would I go to properly source the use of the names K-HEM-ET for Ham in the ancient world (or others like it) or Mizraim, Cush, && Phut for Egypt, Ethiopia, or Lybia?  Thanks so much.  I am writing a thesis but cannot seem to find a source.

Comment by Bodie Hodge 11 hours ago

Hi Lou – it is nice to hear from you again and thanks for sticking around.  I’m still not sure about erectus being pre-Flood – we typically find erectus in post Flood sediments (upper Pliocene-ish and above – see Bones of Contention, by Lubenow) and there could have been great variation pre-Flood – just as we have great variation post-Flood.

 

There is a bottleneck at the Flood (one) and at Babel (two) according to Scripture. We can tie modern humans, which are anatomically the same as people today to Noah – for instance, the many Jews and Royal houses have lineages directly to Noah. With one exception (going through a second wife instead of the first wife which is my lineage of an ancient ancestor, Rollo) I can take my lineage back to Noah.  Good to think about. Bodie 

Comment by Bodie Hodge 11 hours ago

HI Lou (second comment)

The reason these are rather easy to identify as post-Flood is due to the fact that their ruins are built on Flood sediment – sometimes miles of Flood sediment. In many cases we find evidence of language that is post-Babel and so on.  At this stage, I’m not familiar with any pre-Flood civilization that has been discovered. I hope that helps, Bodie  

Comment by Bodie Hodge 11 hours ago

Hi Jeffrey - 

I thought Khemet was a later ruler who united upper and lower Egypt. Perhaps check with Archaeological Diggings for more information on him – the founder David Down was an Egyptologist and his son now runs the ministry in Australia and works with several others who know a lot aobut Egyptian history. Egypt is Mizraim and Cush is Ethiopia and Lubim was Libya in the OT Hebrew.  As I recall, Josephus even commented on these relationships too. God bless,

Bodie

Comment by Lou Hamby 10 hours ago

Last comment:
Most of these cities and there locations are known, these were pre-flood cities, that have archeology that is well known, artifacts, scribal writings, etc.?

10:10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel (not post flood Babel), and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shina  (Nimrod)
10:11 Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,
10:12 And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is a great city.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/gobekli-tepe-the-worlds-first...  Gobekli-Tepe (Turkey)


http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1269/  Caral Supe was thriving culture many hundreds of years before Egypt.

Again I mentioned that the Jericho archeology shows a line of occupation that dates and is analyzed back to pre-flood are you aware of this?  

When someone says these cities are all built on top of flood strata, of course that is true for some cultures, I don’t assume that with pre-flood cultures that follows per se, flood strata we agree is huge in some places, but does that preclude that some of these cultures discovered across the globe are all post-flood?  Is this an assumption on our part or is there actual evidences that defer any such discovery automatically as post flood?  The bible says they all died, I believe that!!!

If they are post flood, then its a mess in explaining these cultures and there timing with Babel and the Table of Nations and dispersion? 

I wish I knew the evidences that makes YE colleagues to assume this view?  How do we infer cultures on top of flood sediment as 'all" post flood?  Still within the context of Young Earth, if these are pre-flood sites what’s the problem, they are what they are, it doesn't affect the flood one iota? They are the heritage of nations through Noah and his family...

www.touregypt.net/featurestories/aboat.htm  
Several wood plank boats covered in bitumen, 75 ft long, and possibly were the product of Egypt, you would assume these as post flood even though Noah had great skill in building a boat, and these boats show a very simple boat building technique that could not match the boat construction of the Ark, but Kufu in Egypt has several boats up to 141 ft. So they were building boats pre-flood for sure.

There is huge contingency of artifacts that infer something that lines up with pre flood and of coarse nations after Babel?   I’m just saying?

Comment by Dr. Derek P. Blake 2 hours ago

There is a bottleneck at the Flood (one) and at Babel (two) according to Scripture. We can tie modern humans, which are anatomically the same as people today to Noah – for instance, the many Jews and Royal houses have lineages directly to Noah. With one exception (going through a second wife instead of the first wife which is my lineage of an ancient ancestor, Rollo) I can take my lineage back to Noah.  Good to think about. Bodie 

Hi Bodie, I have heard it said that the Jewish race is the least contaminated race on the planet, due to the laws and and traditions of the Jewish people, not to marry outside of their faith.  However the variation in physical features of the Jewish race is often no different to any other, these ranging from Caucasoid to Arabic and African.  I wondered, would this be due to a natural process of an original gene bank or due to the specialisation within the specific tribes (12).  I was also wondering if the purity issue is true or not, if it is true then can we assume that the general Jewish race is evidence of the physical features of Noah and his family?

Comment by Dr. Derek P. Blake 47 minutes ago
Most of these cities and there locations are known, these were pre-flood cities, that have archeology that is well known, artifacts, scribal writings, etc.?”

Hi Lou, I just can't help jumping in here, apologies Bodie.  Just because there are cities named the same both pre and post-flood, does not mean that they are the same cities in the same location.  People often name their cities with familiar names or from names in books or particularly scripture.  In the UK, in Wales, there are many,many town ans village names that are from the Scriptures, and in the US there are many names that were given by the first settlers.  These settlers named their new towns after the town/city they had left behind, to make them seem more at home, such as Plymouth, Portland, Amsterdam, Somerset, York, Manchester, and on, and on. 

The book of Genesis specifies that the Garden of Eden was located within the borders of four great rivers:

10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. 11 The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12 (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin[d] and onyx are also there.) 13 The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush.[e] 14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Ashur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.

Although we have rivers today that bear the same names as Euphrates and Tigris, there are no traces of the other two, this surely indicates that the geography has changed markedly from the pre-flood land-map.  If two rivers have razed then sure they all will have disappeared and and rivers bearing that name would have been echoes of the scriptures or pre-flood era.

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