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What is wrong with this that would make celebrated YEC's reject it?
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.I sent the following to multiple celebrated defenders of YEC, but the only reply I got to it was of unexplained rejection. Can anyone here tell me why any YEC would reject it? Am I a flake? Is that…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Robert Byers 13 hours ago.

On the Astronomy-Biased Hermeneutic of many modern YEC's

.Adam and Eve were created in the daylight. So their first experience of their world was that divided between that daylit sky and the Earth. They saw the Sun and Moon in that sky. And we know that…Continue

Started Jul 12

The cartoon dragon of modern YEC

below are my two most recent posts to CreationTalk on yahoo groups. I'm posting them here for those who, I suppose, might not wish to receive emails from yahoo, and so who do not subscribe to…Continue

Started May 25

The New-Fangled YEC's
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1. IntroductionDeRemer, Amunrud, and Dobberpulh1 argue that the terrestrial appearance of the first two days the Creation Week account is misleading. They claim that the terrestrial reading is false,…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Daniel Pech Jun 17, 2016.

 

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Robert Byers replied to Daniel Pech's discussion 'What is wrong with this that would make celebrated YEC's reject it?'
"Daniel Pech. babies are dumb. Their memories arte not working right. People today only use a small number of words. Not all that we know. So Adam would of made up words instantly enough to talk. His thoughts would instantly be put into words. He…"
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Daniel Pech replied to Daniel Pech's discussion 'What is wrong with this that would make celebrated YEC's reject it?'
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Robert Byers replied to Daniel Pech's discussion 'What is wrong with this that would make celebrated YEC's reject it?'
"Daniel Pech We agree on a lot. I'm imagining Adam immediately spoke in a glorious language within ten minutes. Strange but I think so. Not developing over time. I think its from thoughts/spirit/sounds instantly working together. The bible says…"
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Daniel Pech replied to Jim Brenneman's discussion 'Canopy Theory or Biblical Revelation of Realty'
"Location, location, location. By way of analogy to the debates over the whole account, I recommend Brinker's interview of Tom Gegax: youtube, three audio-only videos: 'Tom Gegax on MoneyTalk (Pt 1 of 3) with Bob Brinker': …"
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Daniel Pech replied to Lou Hamby's discussion 'Creation of the biosphere thoughts...'
"No animal life wants to die. This includes flesh-and=blood humans. Humans are not the only fauna kind that does not want to die. Yet what we all observe today of the natural world includes humans' natural death and biological decay and…"
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Daniel Pech replied to Lou Hamby's discussion 'Creation of the biosphere thoughts...'
"Are you taking for granted that the flesh-body of Adam, despite that it can die and can be injured, is incapable of sensing that adverse potential unless Adam first sees some other flesh bodies actual dying, or at least sees the resulting rotting…"
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Daniel Pech replied to Lou Hamby's discussion 'Creation of the biosphere thoughts...'
"I presume you are including such things as predation, disease, and death. I would like to say that the answer you are looking for from me is one in which I see the issue as simply as you see it. I don't. I do not think that the issue is one…"
Tuesday
Daniel Pech replied to Lou Hamby's discussion 'Creation of the biosphere thoughts...'
"...so, the water cycle, in terms merely of water and other non-living things, is part of the life-support system which is the completed living planet. (I go into this further in Jim's thread about the canopy model.) The creation of the planet…"
Monday
Daniel Pech replied to Jim Brenneman's discussion 'Canopy Theory or Biblical Revelation of Realty'
"...As for the Hebrew, I figure that it is the most life- and terra-centric conceptual scheme possible for humans. Genesis 1 is not written in an alterate lexicon for modern English conceptual schemes. So I can't help but wonder exactly how Adam…"
Monday
Daniel Pech replied to Lou Hamby's discussion 'Creation of the biosphere thoughts...'
"Shorter, yes. The Day Two (portion of the) account does not include a "God saw that it was good." Various ideas have been forwarded to explain why. The idea I espouse is that the water cycle is the issue here. That cycle only began to be…"
Monday
Daniel Pech replied to Jim Brenneman's discussion 'Canopy Theory or Biblical Revelation of Realty'
"...Like the man who said, "I see land!", in the case in which this was true. But, nah. land is a theory. LOL I'm not the most ardent potential/former supporter of the Canopy interpretation of Genesis 1:6-8. But I see your point.…"
Monday
Daniel Pech replied to Lou Hamby's discussion 'Creation of the biosphere thoughts...'
"Six days. That's the longest time I would give it for the Earth to continue to be hospitable to any life outdoors if: ...if any one of the basic parts of its life-support system suddenly ceased to exist. I see six basic parts: fauna, flora,…"
Monday
Daniel Pech replied to Daniel Pech's discussion 'What is wrong with this that would make celebrated YEC's reject it?'
"I agree. I think he was speaking in his very first few moments. But I also think he was actually developing a language by his sense of everything, and of the conversation he was having with God. I think he was sensing it in a flawlessly predictive…"
Monday
Daniel Pech replied to Daniel Pech's discussion 'What is wrong with this that would make celebrated YEC's reject it?'
"But nowhere in the Bible, including in the Creation Account, is it spelled out that 'God initiated the first speaking that occurred between God and any human'. The account normally is assumed to explicitly-directly express just the main…"
Monday
Jim Brenneman replied to Daniel Pech's discussion 'What is wrong with this that would make celebrated YEC's reject it?'
"  The reason for the creation of all things is communication between God and Man. The first use of words took place before the creation of man - when God said, "Let their be light" (Gen. 1:3) on Day One. And the first recorded…"
Monday
Robert Byers replied to Daniel Pech's discussion 'What is wrong with this that would make celebrated YEC's reject it?'
"Daniel Pech God does not have a language. His talking to Adam if audible would have to be in a language. Including Adam replying back in same language. So the language must be from adam. Instantly adam with thoiughts/spirit, used sounds to speak. In…"
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Describe your interest in joining the community
Psalm 104, mostly.

Once, there lived an Ogre, far, far away.
Where the Orgre lived, orgres weren't real.
So he didn't actually live there.

And he wasn't an ogre.
He was an onion.
Like everyone else.

God did not create humans inside a nearly-windowless, non-rotating space ship far out in interstellar space. He created us on a completed living planet. This is why a God-given normal human concern is for how the stable natural physical world came to be. No matter what century or culture in which we are born, we are ever centrally concerned for the part of our physical cosmos that we immediately see naturally supports life.

So, on the one hand, despite literary-centrists such as John Walton, the ancient Hebrew prophets were not some kind of hermits with respect to physical and terrestrial cosmology; And, on the other hand, despite 'science'-centrists, such as Hugh Ross and John Lennox, Genesis 1 is not directly concerned for, much less in support of, the modern secularist-atheist, long-ages cosmological frame of reference.

Carl Sagan, in his famed TV show, Cosmos, maintained a pretense of objectivity by way of trivial locations in interstellar space, and of being inside a space ship, and of watching the cosmos supposedly evolve over eons. But humans' proper main frame of reference is that from a completed living planet, not of any actual or supposed pre-Earth cosmos.

Genesis 1---every bit of it---is universally accessible to the normal human being because of how it begins and proceeds. It tells of how our planet functions to support life, and it does this by telling us of how God formed and filled our planet. In other words, the true Prime Cosmology begins and proceeds exactly how any normal child could best wish:

By total appearances, the account addresses the most ordinary universal human concern, and addresses it in the universally ordinary, terra-prime way.

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