Daniel Pech
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My replies to Lou
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Lou Hamby said:There are some on this web site that treat Christians with a different view with disdain...Jim has very particular things in mind as to his topics. You should realize that by now. You…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Daniel Pech Sep 13.

What is the relationship between Chapter One and Chapter Two of the book of Genesis?

I'm not very good at knowing what is off-topic, nor simply realizing that something is off-topic. This is especially a problem when I don't particularly know what the topic is in terms of its general…Continue

Started Sep 8

The Drake Equation on Everything: How An Essentially Godless Conception of Science Misunderstands Everything

The Drake Equation on EverythingPart 1: MusicThe nature of the relation between human musical perception of sound and human sonic-vocal language has, on the part of some scholars, been so overlooked…Continue

Started Aug 14

What is wrong with this that would make celebrated YEC's reject it?
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.I sent the following to multiple celebrated defenders of YEC, but the only reply I got to it was of unexplained rejection. Can anyone here tell me why any YEC would reject it? Am I a flake? Is that…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Daniel Pech Jul 21.

 

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Daniel Pech replied to Daniel Pech's discussion 'My replies to Lou'
Sep 13
Lou Hamby replied to Daniel Pech's discussion 'My replies to Lou'
"Daniel I have been a member of this site for at least 5 years. I was an ardent YEC and followed most of the views of Yec's.  Over time as I got more familiar with the basis for biblical interpretation I started asking questions.  I am…"
Sep 12
Daniel Pech posted discussions
Sep 8
Daniel Pech replied to Jim Brenneman's discussion 'The meaning of time and the "Beginning" in Genesis One, verse one - Is it the beginning, and is there really a creation week?'
"So, Lou, my position on the age of the universe can be summed up in one short statement: "It would not be good for the man to remain alone." (Genesis 2:18)"
Aug 17
Daniel Pech replied to Jim Brenneman's discussion 'The meaning of time and the "Beginning" in Genesis One, verse one - Is it the beginning, and is there really a creation week?'
"I'm sorry Lou. I was not clear. I did not mean that I think... that you think... that the Earth is not materially part of rest of the universe. I know that you think it is (is) part of the universe. My point was simply about the time…"
Aug 17
Daniel Pech replied to Jim Brenneman's discussion 'The meaning of time and the "Beginning" in Genesis One, verse one - Is it the beginning, and is there really a creation week?'
"Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83brK_yohRA ('Does Distant Starlight Prove the Universe Is Old - Jason Lisle') In this very short video, Lisle, near the end, notes that the Big Bang model has the same problem (a distance starlight…"
Aug 14
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The Drake Equation on Everything: How An Essentially Godless Conception of Science Misunderstands Everything

The Drake Equation on EverythingPart 1: MusicThe nature of the relation between human musical perception of sound and human sonic-vocal language has, on the part of some scholars, been so overlooked as to trivialize this human musicality as an non-adaptive phenomenal quirk. This seems more-or-less to be that done by Dutton (see reference list below) and Kivy (see Reference list below).Dutton, for his part, claims that humans’ ‘aesthetic tastes and interests do not form’ any kind of ‘rational…See More
Aug 14
Daniel Pech replied to Jim Brenneman's discussion 'The meaning of time and the "Beginning" in Genesis One, verse one - Is it the beginning, and is there really a creation week?'
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83brK_yohRA ('Does Distant Starlight Prove the Universe Is Old - Jason Lisle') In this very short video, Lisle, near the end, notes that the Big Bang model has the same problem (a distance starlight…"
Aug 14
Daniel Pech replied to Jim Brenneman's discussion 'What is the Relationship between Chapter One and Chapter Two of Genesis?'
"For all its beauty and remoteness, the clear night sky is mysteriously lifeless. But Adam and Eve were not created at night, much less indoors in front of a pile of astronomy textbooks. Much less were they created inside a nearly windless,…"
Aug 6
Daniel Pech replied to Jim Brenneman's discussion 'What is the Relationship between Chapter One and Chapter Two of Genesis?'
"I'm not sure what you are saying, but I see here only analogy. Specifically, I see one between (a) the Acts passage and (b) the relationship between G1 and G2. I would say that G2 is very specific and literal, and the most focused on its…"
Jul 31
Daniel Pech replied to Jim Brenneman's discussion 'What is the Relationship between Chapter One and Chapter Two of Genesis?'
"Well, of course, Genesis 2 is a filling in of details for the prime part of Genesis 1. I thought we all learn that in Sunday school as kids. From the few words you use for your specific description, I am not clear on exactly what it is that you…"
Jul 31
Daniel Pech replied to Jim Brenneman's discussion 'What is the Relationship between Chapter One and Chapter Two of Genesis?'
"First, Yes, it is a mistake to rely on a mere nominalism to effectively communicate to everyone one's position. I have rarely encountered the shortfall myself, as I do not find myself interacting with people who use these names for things which…"
Jul 30
Daniel Pech replied to Daniel Pech's discussion 'What is wrong with this that would make celebrated YEC's reject it?'
"...Ok, maybe not yet a summary of all my posts. Too complex for me right now. But maybe I can put into effectively communicative words what it is that I do and do not have in mind about language and Adam and Eve. For me personally, the question of…"
Jul 21
Daniel Pech replied to Daniel Pech's discussion 'What is wrong with this that would make celebrated YEC's reject it?'
"Hi Melanie, You said: I'm sorry. I wasn't clear. I do not mean to be implying any such incapacity on God's part. I allow that God can cause you, right now, if He saw fit, to be able to read and understand every written language that…"
Jul 21
Melanie Richard replied to Daniel Pech's discussion 'What is wrong with this that would make celebrated YEC's reject it?'
Jul 21
Daniel Pech replied to Jim Brenneman's discussion 'What is the Relationship between Chapter One and Chapter Two of Genesis?'
"CMI's Lita Cosner, in her recent review of Adam, the Fall, and Original Sin: Theological, Biblical, and Scientific Perspectives, reports that 'C. John Collins presents the case that Adam and Eve have an enormous explanatory role to…"
Jul 21

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Are you a church leader? If so, please tell us if you are a pastor, deacon/elder, or work with youth, adults, etc.
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Do you homeschool or send your children to a private Christian school?
Yes
Do you have your own blog, website, or ministry? If so, please share it with us.
https://theyusedtocallitfamily.wordpress.com/
Are you a student/teacher/professor? High School or College?
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Do you believe in the literal translation of Genesis?
yes
Describe your interest in joining the community
Psalm 104, mostly.

Once, there lived an Ogre, far, far away.
Where the Orgre lived, orgres weren't real.
So he didn't actually live there.

And he wasn't an ogre.
He was an onion.
Like everyone else.

God did not create humans inside a nearly-windowless, non-rotating space ship far out in interstellar space. He created us on a completed living planet. This is why a God-given normal human concern is for how the stable natural physical world came to be. No matter what century or culture in which we are born, we are ever centrally concerned for the part of our physical cosmos that we immediately see naturally supports life.

So, on the one hand, despite literary-centrists such as John Walton, the ancient Hebrew prophets were not some kind of hermits with respect to physical and terrestrial cosmology; And, on the other hand, despite 'science'-centrists, such as Hugh Ross and John Lennox, Genesis 1 is not directly concerned for, much less in support of, the modern secularist-atheist, long-ages cosmological frame of reference.

Carl Sagan, in his famed TV show, Cosmos, maintained a pretense of objectivity by way of trivial locations in interstellar space, and of being inside a space ship, and of watching the cosmos supposedly evolve over eons. But humans' proper main frame of reference is that from a completed living planet, not of any actual or supposed pre-Earth cosmos.

Genesis 1---every bit of it---is universally accessible to the normal human being because of how it begins and proceeds. It tells of how our planet functions to support life, and it does this by telling us of how God formed and filled our planet. In other words, the true Prime Cosmology begins and proceeds exactly how any normal child could best wish:

By total appearances, the account addresses the most ordinary universal human concern, and addresses it in the universally ordinary, terra-prime way.

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