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Proposal:Scientific measurements should have 'Uncertainty bars';
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Scientific measurements often have error bars which gives reviewers an indication of the accuracy of the instruments used.But I also think that 'uncertainty bars' would be useful, and make…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Ralph Thurlow Feb 5.

Is there any such thing as 'Random'?
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The bibles say that God created and sustains the universe, and that means there is nothing random as God is in control of all. It may be radom from our point of view, but that is simply because we…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Brian Guiley Dec 21, 2011.

Historical "mainstream science" taking on the tone, more and more, of an extreme fanatical religion.
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In the last few days I have come across various material that has blown me away with it's level of vitriole.[Note: As a background, I might point out that I've just finished reading Signature in the…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Jim Brenneman Dec 10, 2011.

A Powerful concept:SES vs LES
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Imagine many, many decades ago, a researcher was looking at a new finding: chemical nitrate has just been foundto help plant growth. Virtually no quasntitative research has been done, so this…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Ralph Thurlow Dec 19, 2011.

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Ralph Thurlow replied to Jim Brenneman's discussion 'Question from Phil Owens on ERVs'

I notice that the first three points made in the video are "god of the gaps" type points (where the 'god' in this case is evolution). He states, "The only known function for this sequence is in…

Feb 12

Ralph Thurlow replied to Jim Brenneman's discussion 'Question from Phil Owens on ERVs'

Thanks Marianna, So it is clear that you can look at the evidence through evolutionary glasses and see them as evidence for evolution - and you would call them ERV's Or, you can look at them through creationists glasses, in which case…

Feb 8

Ralph Thurlow replied to Jim Brenneman's discussion 'Question from Phil Owens on ERVs'

Getting back to the subject of ERV's: Transposable elememts (also incorrectly labelled ERV's) have a portion of sequence similar to a portion of sequence in retroviruses - thus evolutionists say they WERE once retroviruses that invaded the…

Feb 6

Ralph Thurlow replied to Ralph Thurlow's discussion 'Proposal:Scientific measurements should have 'Uncertainty bars';'

"Foxes"? Hmmm......King Herod, his immorality and abuse of power comes to mind........Lk 13;32 Are you mocking chickens? According to the collegues you seem to highly esteem, they are your fairly close relatives!!!!!!

Feb 5

Richard A. Meiss replied to Ralph Thurlow's discussion 'Proposal:Scientific measurements should have 'Uncertainty bars';'

"Chickens" - What an appropriate analogy, and in so many ways.

Feb 4

Ralph Thurlow replied to Jim Brenneman's discussion 'Question from Phil Owens on ERVs'

ERV's should really be called "tranlocatable elements" because of their ability to shift position in the DNA. From the information I have read, and IMHO, they constitute an amazing design feature in living things which allows rapid…

Feb 4

Ralph Thurlow replied to Ralph Thurlow's discussion 'Proposal:Scientific measurements should have 'Uncertainty bars';'

We are not talking about religion here, but rather the word of God and HIS story - history. Concerning the correct forum, your suggestion is sort of like asking the foxes to stop eating the chickens isn't it? Not likely to achieve…

Feb 4

Richard A. Meiss replied to Ralph Thurlow's discussion 'Proposal:Scientific measurements should have 'Uncertainty bars';'

Hi, Ralph - At this point, I think that there is little to add to what I have been saying. I do suggest, however, that you familiarize yourself with the similarities and differences between INDUCTION and DEDUCTION and…

Feb 3

Ralph Thurlow replied to Ralph Thurlow's discussion 'Proposal:Scientific measurements should have 'Uncertainty bars';'

P.S. I imagine that if the science gurus ever did accept this proposal, it would clean up the field of science in so many ways. People would be able to trust the word 'science' once more.

Feb 1

Ralph Thurlow replied to Ralph Thurlow's discussion 'Proposal:Scientific measurements should have 'Uncertainty bars';'

Yes, the word "inference" as I've confirmed from various sources does have a rather broad meaning which includes logical deduction. But we are not talking about that are we! In the case of mathematical extrapolations, we are talking…

Feb 1

Richard A. Meiss replied to Ralph Thurlow's discussion 'Proposal:Scientific measurements should have 'Uncertainty bars';'

Hi, Ralph - Yes, I did print a lot of words, and they seem to have had little effect. Here is the essence of what I have been saying (on the original topic). No one disagrees that long extrapolations are subject…

Feb 1

Ralph Thurlow replied to Ralph Thurlow's discussion 'Proposal:Scientific measurements should have 'Uncertainty bars';'

Richard Richard Richard Richard!!!!! You've printed a lot of words, but come nowhere near adressing the issues I presented. At the heart of the issue is inference - it may work and it may not. Thus while it may help us on occasions, on…

Jan 29

Richard A. Meiss replied to Ralph Thurlow's discussion 'Proposal:Scientific measurements should have 'Uncertainty bars';'

Hi, Ralph - In your opening sentence, you suggest that your proposal would not be accepted because scientists (myself included) have "something to hide." If you would care to look, you will find most of my…

Jan 29

Ralph Thurlow replied to Ralph Thurlow's discussion 'Proposal:Scientific measurements should have 'Uncertainty bars';'

Thanks for the nice post, Richard, but it seems to me that you (and your collegues) are not enthusiastic about my proposal simply because you have something to hide. Consider the example I spoke of for radiometric dating (K-Ar method, 1 bill yrs…

Jan 28

Richard A. Meiss replied to Ralph Thurlow's discussion 'Proposal:Scientific measurements should have 'Uncertainty bars';'

Hi, Ralph - First of all, let me apologize for what may have appeared to be intemperate language. As a scientist, I must confess that I don't react well to blanket implications that scientists are attempting to be…

Jan 28

Ralph Thurlow replied to Ralph Thurlow's discussion 'Proposal:Scientific measurements should have 'Uncertainty bars';'

Richard, DUH!!! I think I can justifiably respond with "Sometimes I wonder if [some] members of this forum have ever read a post properly at all If you'd bothered to read my original post carefully, you would have noiticed…

Jan 27

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At 10:37pm on October 1, 2010, Creation Conversations said…: Hi! Welcome to Creation Conversations, Ralph! There are a number of resources currently being featured, information on events, and free downloads available on the site too! There are also active discussions in the forums, and opportunities to share photos and creation-themed videos with the community. Hope you are enjoy the site - thanks for becoming part of Creation Conversations!