I also am new and this would constitute my first post - ever. I think hit "publish post" it will do so.

My question is one of my paralegals stated (I thought surprisingly) that he did not believe (1) Christ went to Hell after his crucifixtion and (2) that his temporal punishment could act as a propitiation for his sins.

This all started b/c he stated he learned in his Biblical Studies major that the Flood was only local which is the only way to describe marsupials. Thoughts?

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Comment by Dustin Crider on April 23, 2010 at 8:38pm
Brian,

Nice to chat with you, brother!

Take care,
Dustin
Comment by Brian Guiley on April 23, 2010 at 6:38pm
Dustin,

I concede that this is what I've been taught, and not necessarily delineated so in scripture. The references I've found refer to the possibility that he went to Sheol - as in a holding place for souls until judgement (also called Hades) but not Hell as in the lake of fire. Scripture would seem to indicate that the Lake of Fire is the final judgement and not really to be "used" until after the final judgement when all who oppose/refuse God will be cast into the lake of fire.

I do believe that Christ bore our punishment (death/separation from God) wholly and completely. The exact means by which this was accomplished I do not know. I don't think we're told fully, nor is it important beyond that he took our punishment and defeated Death (the second death, since we still die the first one).

Regarding being with him in Paradise, a few things come to mind, though none delineated so in scripture, so this is my opinion, ponderings only. As Christ is out of time (created time) and we all are absent from the body present with the Lord, I've come the the idea (again, my idea, not one I've based on scripture... I don't think it speaks directly to this) that we are taken from our death to the wedding feast of the Lamb, out of time, so there is not in between place for us before that glorious feast. Just a thought though. And the thief may well have done this too.

Anyway, I appreciate your comments and accept your instruction. Thank you for directing me to Him.

Brian
Comment by Dustin Crider on April 23, 2010 at 4:40pm
Brian,

May I ask a few questions of you?

What Scriptural support would you give for your belief? What would your interpretation of Luke 23:43 be? "Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise." Luke 23:43. How could Christ descend into hell after death if we was with the thief in Paradise that very day?

I would agree that Christ endured our punishment, but He endured it on the cross where the full wrath of God was poured out. It was poured out to such a degree that Christ asks, "My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?" As I stated earlier, the Scriptures indicate that the cross satisfies God's wrath fully, and there is no need for Christ to go to hell.

Humbly in Christ,
Dustin
Comment by Brian Guiley on April 22, 2010 at 9:59pm
Hrm. Interesting article. I read the blog, but have difficulty with Christ's death paying for our sins, and Christ conquering "death" if he paid that price on the cross only, for we all still die (that first death) and it is not conquered. I believe he conquered the second death, eternal death, by assuming our eternal punishment. As I indicated in another post, an infinite being assuming our punishment for a short time, equates to us finite beings experiencing eternal punishment. This is something that perhaps we will never fully understand, but this explanation give a good reckoning.

There are many possibilities for dispersion of the animals following the flood, including the post flood ice age, land bridges, etc. I will concede to the many articles on the Answers In Genesis site for that response... www.answersingenesis.org.
Comment by Dustin Crider on April 22, 2010 at 6:05pm
Comment by Dustin Crider on April 22, 2010 at 6:04pm
For some reason the link didn't post right. Here it is

"Did Jesus Spend Saturday in Hell"
Comment by Dustin Crider on April 22, 2010 at 6:03pm
Scott,

I would recommend the following link for a brief discussion of whether Jesus went to hell after his crucification. I would agree with the article and say there is no Biblical basis for that view.



Christ's work on the cross fully satisfied all of God's wrath against sinners (see Rom 3:25, Col 1:20). Christ's work on the cross fully cleanses us from sin and all the penalties thereof. There was no need for Christ to go to hell to eliminate God's wrath or remove our sin.

As for the marsupials, I have never heard of this view!

I would like to know what you think after reading this post.

Blessings,
Dustin

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