The Lineages of the Norwegian and Danish Kings

The Lineages of the Norwegian and Danish Kings: From Harald to Japheth (Nor) and from Ingladr Starkader to Noah (Den)

Bill Cooper in his excellent book "After the Flood", again supplies the ancestral lists and provides the pertinent historical details for this post. If you don't own his book, I suggest you buy it. There is more information packed in that small book than in many volumes four times it's size.

Interestingly enough, both the Norwegian and Danish Kings lists are almost identical with the Anglo-Saxon lineages, at least from Odin (or Woden) through Geat and back to Japheth or Noah, suggesting a common beginning for all three groups. (spellings and linguistics differ, but names are easily recognizable and while each list contains some gaps, all names that do appear in common are in basically the same order) Cooper uses 6 different lists to trace and support the Norwegian and Danish lineages, but we will only look at two of them, a Danish and a Icelandic, (Norwegian) for our purposes.

Our purpose here is simply to further show the uniformity of which the tribes of the various Northern Europeans traced themselves back through Japheth to Noah of the biblical flood accounts. Naturally, modern scholarship writes off all these accounts as Christian inventions or interpolations by dishonest and ambitious monks, and such charges are easier made than disproven. And a guilty until proven innocent approach is used, instead of giving the documents the benefit of the doubt, as is usually done. These ancient documents and their histories obviously pose a threat to the secular religion of naturalism.

Never-the-less, Cooper supplies us with more then a few examples of evidences which appear to fly in the face of these hastily made charges by the guardians of secular academia. One which he points us to is the fact that the Danish list has the name of Noa at it's head, while the Norwegian Icelandic list is headed by Seskef (Japheth or sceaf in Anglo-Saxon). Sceaf or Seskef are pre-Christian spellings of the biblical Japheth as is discussed in Cooper's book and in the "Anglo-Saxon kings" post on this site.

If Christian monks made up the Icelandic kings list or interpolated names into it later, why did they not insert the name of Noah at the head of the list? And why use an archaic spelling of the name of Japheth, which no one in post Christian times would have recognized? Iceland was founded by the Norsemen in 870 AD long before the Norwegians accepted Christ as their Savior or began to conform themselves to the bibles standards of behavior.

And Cooper points out that history is clear that the Norwegian Vikings at this time were still deep into the worship of their forefathers, from Woden or Odin to Geat, and made bloody sacrifices to them as gods. As a matter of fact the first British monks who translated the records and genealogies of the close relatives of the Norsemen, the Anglo-Saxons, were shocked at the open testimonies of the pagan worship of their ancestors. The Viking Ragnar, while in England in the 9th century actually sacrificed two Ango-Saxon Kings to Geat, cutting out the lungs of the still living kings and spreading them out on their shoulders like wings, in what was called the Rite of the Blood Eagle. Obviously not a Christian form of worship.

It's not likely that these pagan warriors would have allowed someone to tamper with the revered names of those genealogies, and the evidence that these lists are just what they claim to be is as strong as it could possibly be, coming from such ancient sources. The real interpolaters are not the Christian monks, who would have at least believed it is wrong to lie, but the modern historical revisionists, who have no such qualms of conscience to deal with.

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Comment by Mark Andrew Hodges on September 2, 2011 at 6:14pm
No, I haven't looked into ogham script, but since their own kings lists indicate that the anglo saxon and Norsemen are related, and some of the Gauls or Franks also claimed to be related to the Trojan exiles, perhaps from the Cape Breton area, their languages may had a lot in common. I read not long ago about a recent find in wales which upset the status quote a little in pushing back written language...Ill try and find it again, when I get back in town...no internet at the home place..lol
Comment by Steven Posey on September 2, 2011 at 8:03am

Well, I suppose I was over generalizing the ancient Germans. They did have runes centuries before they became Christian and maybe other systems. I just assumed most tradition and stories were passed down orally.

Julius Caesar wrote that the Gauls used Greek letters to express the written form of their language. Have you looked into Ogham script (I think that is how it's spelled)? The system of lines looks fun but difficult to learn. I believe they are mostly found in Ireland but in other places too like perhaps Wales. Translitterations of the inscriptions are supposed to be a lot like Latin, which reminded me of your Trojans but this system was still in use when the Romans were in Britain and could be just a Latin influence on the ancient Celtic language (which I've read was similar to Latin).   

Comment by Mark Andrew Hodges on September 1, 2011 at 2:04pm
Sorry about that first line...prechristian documents did make reference to old testament events, but thaltho experts usually try to write those off as interpolations also....
Comment by Mark Andrew Hodges on September 1, 2011 at 2:01pm

Well, while some Christian interpation is likely it may not be as extensive as the experts think because pre-christian pagan document to reference old testament events. Recent discoveries have pushed Welsh writing farther back, and if in fact they were trojan, then they arrived with a linear written language. I'm not so sure of the writing abilities of the Anglo-Saxon bsefore they arrived in England, but they were keeping genealogical records and had knowledge of the flood which has evidence that it definetly pre-existed Christianity. Cooper does cover that in his book, and it is fascinating. Masters books used to sell it, and it may still be availalble. Yeah, like the Sea serpents in almost all ancient representations from all over the world, the creatures generally behave in a realistic manner.

 

Comment by Steven Posey on September 1, 2011 at 7:25am

You make Mr. Cooper's book sound highly interesting. I would love to read it!

The experts are certain that Beowulf was given a once over by a person or persons with a Christian (albeit dark age Christian) background. There wasn't anyone to write it down before the Saxons were Christianized. Some have tried to sift out the "added" Christian parts. However, it is all heritage and the whole thing that we have is a good thousand years old.

The beasts are described in a very realistic seeming manner. Of course, that doesn't mean the poet saw them. I love how the beasts, upon the approach of the warriors, quickly slide off into the water just like snakes on my creek or crocs on nature shows.  

 

Comment by Mark Andrew Hodges on August 31, 2011 at 12:55pm
I will definetly check that out, thanks. I have only read part of Beowulf and am interested in the age of it. Some think it actually preceded the coming of Christianity, and if so, perhaps that quote is a interolation...but who knows. Have your read Wm. Coopers book? He has a chapter on the beasts of Beowulf and their possible relation to dinosaurs, very interesting.
Comment by Steven Posey on August 31, 2011 at 10:44am
Hey, it's nice to know of someone else that takes an interest in this type of thing. I believe that is from lines 175-188. This is Seamus Heaney's translation. I have another translation from 1926 that uses more formal language but says pretty much the same thing.
Comment by Mark Andrew Hodges on August 30, 2011 at 4:56pm
I wasn't aware of the Beowulf quote, do you have the stanza number on that? I have to admit, having a slug of Irish, welsh, and swedish blood, I am very interested in those ancient histories. Thanks for your comment.
Comment by Steven Posey on August 30, 2011 at 3:21pm
Very interesting! The Vikings and Anglo-Saxons are some of my favorite topics. Beowulf was the best thing about English lit to me (the poem, not the movie). The Beowulf Poet commented on the Pagan Saxon's rituals: "Sometimes at pagan shrines they vowed offerings to idols, swore oaths that the killer of souls might come to their aid and save the people. That was their way, their heathenish hope... Oh, cursed is he who in time of trouble has to thrust his soul in the fire's embrace, forfeiting help; he has nowhere to turn. But blessed is he who after death can approach the Lord and find friendship in the Father's embrace."

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