I have had some people--after explaining to them that death before the literal fall is contradictory--tell me that nothing is wrong with death, or it's actually good. It comes to no shock to me to hear such a response from some-one who never experienced perfection. Especially when that person holds an evolutionary presupposition.

Here are some reasons why death is not good.

1. When God created, His plan and intention was for them to remain in that perfection. He didn't plan to kick us out but knew He would have to. Going back to Romans 5:12 we read:
   "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned."
   Death couldn't have existed until after Adam sinned. This doesn't just apply to Eden, this applied to the whole world. To have this in the Bible that have death have always existed is contradictory.

2. Death is described as an enemy. In 1 Corinthians 15:26 we read:
"The last enemy to be abolished is death."
   If death is an enemy as the Bible describes it how can it be 'good'? Yes, Jesus had to die to save us from sin but when He rose He concurred it. Plus, before the fall when there was no death Jesus didn't have to save us from sin. Because there was no sin yet. Calling something like death good is against God's character.

3. Creation is groaning. Romans 8:22 says:
   "For we know that the whole creation groaning together and travaileth in pain together until now."

   The creation is groaning because of sin and death. To call death good is to call groaning pain good. That is also against God's character.

   Those are my reasons for not believing death before the fall. We all have our different beliefs and it's great to discuss them but not let it separate us from one another.

Regarding what God meant by "you will surely die," see this article:


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Comment by Floyd on December 3, 2016 at 6:11am

In my experience, inconsistencies represented in the form of logical fallacies block the sceptic from seeing the obvious i.e. that death is not good but bad. All the biblical quotes gives clear answers about the nature of death, but the sceptical mind looks for what is not written and uses the fallacy of ignorance (appealing to the unknown) to justify their views.

So instead of just engaging with what the scriptures clearly say, which puts you in the sceptics playground i.e. (Proverbs 26:4 "Do not answer a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him"). You will have to expose the inconsistencies i.e. reduce to absurdity "reductio ad absurdum" their views (Proverbs 26:5 "Answer a fool according to his folly, Lest he be wise in his own eyes").

Yes a Christian can also be a fool in their thinking.

Taken to its logical conclusion their views of death being good will yield an absurd result. For example, we know that a new heaven and earth will be created after judgement. So, if we accept their view of death is good, then the conclusion should be that death will be in the new heaven and earth! The new earth and heaven must be eternal so at some point in the infinite future no one will inhabit heaven or earth because death will exist for every inhabitant whatever form is taken! Which makes Christ's death quite pointless; it will make entering heaven quite pointless ultimately. Effectively, they are saying Christ death and entering heaven will be repeated ad infinitum.

This absurd conclusion is not entertained if we take the scripture at its word when it states

Revelation 20:14 "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire"
Revelation 21:4 "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death"

i.e. death must be bad therefore no death in the new earth and heaven.

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